I do not agree with some of these changes, scorned out of all classes needs frame
It could come out as sheriff/pally saying this dude is unseen/cult and 2 or 1 sheriff/pally comes out and says this dude’s a liar he appeared NS to me
Again I still think fool needs frame but I like the new poor fellow passive change and I like the new ending passive too
Scorned doesn’t need Frame either. They are supposed to get their target lynched, not a Sheriff.
Okay give me one good strategy a scorned can do to get their target lynched without having to claim sheriff/pally or using frame
You can claim Princess, for one.
You can claim Drunk, if you do it early game.
You can claim you were a Knight and when you hit him he was immune.
If you’re creative enough, you claim a lot of other things under the right circumstances.
That’s too specific. Fool is neutral, not neutral evil. It’s also underpowered, a lot of BD classes are occupy immune.
Don’t vote the player up first if you’re sheriff then.
It’s needed to stop VFC though. There should be a punishment for randomly voting up players. It also gives evils counterplay to investigations, they could just act like a fool.
I would be fine with removing it for fool, but not scorned. It gives evils counter-play to investigations.
That’s too specific. Fool is neutral, not neutral evil. I’d prefer it if fool had a day ability that allowed you to select a player, and if you get executed that day then they will die as well.
This is fine, just replace it with this: Rivalry - Your targets may not win while you are still alive. You will always know your target’s exact class. If both of your targets die or a target is executed then you will commit suicide.
That’s fine, but it should be in addition to frame, not a replacement. Frame gives evils counterplay to investigations, and makes confirmed investigatives less trustworthy.
Fool is not needed at all to stop VFC. That’s what limited trials, Mercenary, Decide Fate, no role list, etc. are for.
I’ve never seen the huge balance problem in Fool. It’s fun to play, and makes you think twice.
The punishment really sucks, though, as it nullifies an entire day, and that’s not fun to deal with.
Which is a good dynamic as it means you have to always second guess your choices.
Bos says the winrate is 30%
I really do feel like Fool doesn’t need buffs like Frame, however.
Okay what
What part of “This is scum, let’s lynch it.” should require any more second-guessing than “What if I’m wrong and we mislynch?”
If you are correct, and you have found scum, there should be no scenario in which you are punished for your correct deduction.
I blame that on players trying to be too obvious or just spamming and hoping they get killed
Think about what you think is scummy, and just do that. It’s not hard.
Is it BD? No.
Is it BD-sided? Also no.
Does it actively harm the BD? Yes indeed.
Literally the textbook definition of scum.
Evil classes need you to lose.
Unseen/Cult is Evil. NK is evil.
Why Fool is harmful, it isn’t actively seeking your loss.
