[FoL] Forum of Lies 28 - ENDGAME - BD + Crus win (9/18)

Vulgard · June 16, 2020, 6:20pm

At this point I’m pretty sure I found Alice’s towntell, but I’m not telling.
I did scumread her this game up to a certain point and then went “ok, she’s just town.”

My reads were generally slightly above rand, I just pushed the correct ones more.

I think there was a specific post which made me lock Marshal as town, lemme go look.

Geyde · June 16, 2020, 6:20pm

the flavor got progressively shittier as the days went on
we have achieved the mission

anon6348071 · June 16, 2020, 6:20pm

@Arete
I’m sorry, by the way. I should’ve just joined.

katze · June 16, 2020, 6:21pm

i mechanically cleared alice for the wrong reason

but i was right so we take those

Geyde · June 16, 2020, 6:21pm

thanks mr secretive

Italy · June 16, 2020, 6:21pm

marshal:

also marshal:

Vulgard · June 16, 2020, 6:21pm

I mean, she’s going to change it and trick me if I say what it is.

Geyde · June 16, 2020, 6:21pm

that’s the fun part

Amelia · June 16, 2020, 6:21pm

Well you wouldn’t have had to whiteknight me :^)

Marshal · June 16, 2020, 6:22pm

~~the only reason I stopped doing that to arete is because dat told me I couldn’t~~

Jane · June 16, 2020, 6:22pm

Aaaaa please gib.

I for some reason always exactly LW-read them but change to town (with a lot of paranoia) later on.

anon6348071 · June 16, 2020, 6:22pm

This is just for you.

Vulgard · June 16, 2020, 6:22pm

Yeah, that one.

Vulgard · June 16, 2020, 6:23pm

One of the most genuine posts in the game.

anon6348071 · June 16, 2020, 6:23pm

~~This was about your lowposting by the way.~~

Amelia · June 16, 2020, 6:23pm

I mean
At the very least I wasn’t a universal scoomread D2

katze · June 16, 2020, 6:23pm

yeah that was around the time when i realized marshal was just town

i reconsiderd it a bit but yeah

one sec lemme post my n1 allies wallposts

Vulgard · June 16, 2020, 6:23pm

Amelia was the “strong and silent” archetype this game.
Didn’t say anything, but the first time she did say something significant, it was a redcheck.
And then another one.
And another one.

katze · June 16, 2020, 6:24pm

On another topic

marshal posts

https://forum.imperium42.com/t/fol-forum-of-lies-28-day-1-you-enter-a-tavern-18-18/82131/85?u=katze
(this post breaks if i quote it)

Marshal:

all of these reads
already looks like he’s trying too hard to be productive
in all the otha games he just chills and talks mech
here he just goes out with a whole ass read and that weird katze post

Possibly because he is doing playstyle change

we’ll see

but I wanted to point it now out for postgame cred later

Early stance on TBE that kind of ends with a “it might just be a playstyle change” rather than a real conclusion

I can’t tell if it’s hedgey or if it makes sense in this context; since I do recall TBE talking about a playstyle change.

Marshal:

I said I was stopping at 100 poss

I did like 4 fucking memes

can you just let me have this

I can’t tell if I’m trying to hard to find something AI in this post or not but the attitude in it pretty clearly annoyed, and this early on I don’t know if that’s NAI?

Marshal:

no bitch
i’m yelling at you primarily and alice as a 2nd

you keep talking about kat’s prince claim and it does nothing for nobody
so no

Marshal:

that’s the worst thing for thread focus to revolve around

a d1 not serious prince claim from fucking katze

Instead i’ll make an announcement™

hard capping myself at 250 posts today

Stopping the “katze Prince claim” discussion is fine but NAI for him

ChopChop:

I have an idea Jane.

Throw me and Marshal in your chat.

ChopChop:

This might work really well.

Marshal:

yah i’d be fine with that

I’m trying to figure out where Marshals head is here

Nothing they’ve posted to this point really gives a read on Seth; and it’s absolutely early enough where that’s not abnormal

But given his last posts are yelling at Seth for talking about Prince things I feel like this is a bit weird? I can’t tell if he wants to strongarm himself into Allies or if he actually townreads Seth

Posting this now since I’m gonna watch a few videos before I go into the point where I start interacting with him.

On another topic

Marshal:

k aret probably randed villager

Marshal:

I hacked your computer

Might compare this to a few other games just to make sure but this kind of read with no meat on someone Marshal feels confident reading doesn’t seem too crazy

And now we enter the “Marshal reads katze” zone

Part 1: [insert funny pun]

part 1

Marshal:

eeeever so slight neut lean

but I don’t have a confident read on ur slot

Marshal:

viberads on kat are easier with 150 posts

not 10

I can only get minor pings from certain posts and thats not really that easy

i’ll get a solid read on you and arete by EoD

Marshal:

are you actually neut

Marshal:

i’d give a 30% chance kat is exactly in chancellor/crusader/inq

kat isn’t being genuine here

could be doing a reactiontest actually

but if not

neut neut neut

Marshal:

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

what are you doing

if it’s an RT i know you softed it so i’m not just gifting you an out

but your vibe is like a cat with fucking rabies

Marshal:

dude kat’s vibe is so fucking wack rn

I can’t even

this

I don’t think this can actually be town

Marshal:

dude I do not think that kat is making these posts

like

I actually cannot fathom that kat themselves are posting these things

AAAÆ

Marshal:

I mean it’s honestly hard to believe kat is writing these posts

kat isn’t acting like scum kat or town kat

neut cat is my assumption

Marshal:

kat isn’t acting like wolf kat

I don’t think kat is groupwolfing or even NKing

I don’t think kat is villaging

Neut is like my best guess rn

Marshal:

dude even with a playstyle change I don’t think that a village kat writes these posts almost ever

i’m hard locking down this tunnel

Marshal:

so you are being disingenuous?

Marshal:

I struggle to believe you actually believe anything you are writing

Marshal:

no

it’s just everything you are posting
I don’t think you believe any of it
I don’t think you believe the post you wrote

Marshal:

katze:

I don’t think TBE is being scummy. So my gut read on him is that they’re probably town.

It’s early Day 1, this read has little substance, merit, or relevance as the game progresses.

like this post
it just seems like you are trying to seem extra productive while doing nothing
and I feel like you know that

you make “gutread TBE villa” into such a long and drawn out post with a fake thought process and a hedge sentence after

and I have the feeling you know this.

so yes I stick with my read that this being a reaction test possible.

Marshal:

have you read kat’s posts

im leaving thread until this reactiontest is over I literally cant rn

Honestly, at the time, I thought this was strongly indicative of a V!Marshal – because I know Marshal prides himself in being able to read me better than basically anyone who isn’t a loaf of bread, and I am playing differently than usual.

The confusion is natural and understandable.

I just… don’t entirely like the conclusion: “kat is a neut”. It’s not like I’m the host of the game. >.>

I actually think him leaving the thread because he’s so sure it’s a RT is… also kind of villagery? I don’t know. It’s weird.

katze:

Marshal is probably town because they have little to gain to attempt to strongarm a mislynch on me on D1, since there’s no D1 lynch.

This read kind of still applies at this point.

Part 2: The “RT is over” saga

Coming soon to an allies chat near you!

On another topic

Part 2: “The RT is over”

katze:

@Marshal

RT over, you can come back now. :^)

Marshal:

where did you soft it

katze:

I didn’t.

There was no RT.

You’re stuck here now

aaa

Marshal:

please just post like a normal person

katze:

I’d argue I’m posting more like a normal person now than I do normally?

Marshal:

you know what I mean

katze:

Do you feel boxed in by my play?

Marshal:

a little bit

Hmmm… I’m leaning towards this being genuine displeasure with my play?

Like: “katze, what the fuck, I can’t read you if you keep doing this, can you cut it out?” is kind of where I think his mind is right now?

bbb

Marshal:

you are still a wolf (or non-bd at least)

or doing some kind of reactiontest/FPS

I’ll say that much right now

Very similar to the scorned vines ngl

feels kiiiiinda powerwoofy

Marshal:

the fact that you have used this to turn thread consensus around at me

the 1 dissenter of your slot

feels eeeeeeeeeeeeeerily similar to da FoL28

Marshal:

arete you see consensus rn
3 likes on that post?
i’m not being scumread
i’m being boxed in
unironically

Kat has tried (and succeded) to strongarm a consensus wolfread on my slot and has gained a lot of power rn

this is exactly like the scorned game

very powerwoofy

Marshal:

kat’s tone is still abysmal and originally I thought it was an RT but seeing as i’ve been forcedly shoved into a box by kat themselves I am thinking that kat might just fit in the “wolf” world better

Marshal:

iirc you’ve done some long-range reactiontests

and your posts are uncomfortable for someone like kat, but I guess you did do gamer so you have the will to do a longform way of posting like that.

Marshal:

but you trying to shove me in a box makes me think that it’s not that

originally it was benign enough but now it feels like you have a lot of power and are using it to push me (and I still feel like you are being disingenuous, but now you are using it to push whatever agenda you might have)

Marshal:

I called you out on a very weird tone

and left thread because it was irking me

that’s not enough to warrant a scumread FMPoV

you’ve pushed that narrative and it seems people are extra willing to agree

Marshal:

Katze

Probably did rand wolf

Marshal:

this could just be one big grand reactiontest

I see it in kat’s range

but aorn I’m not sure that it is and i’m assuming it’s not

There’s a few recurring things here that I don’t really know how to read into.

“katze is powerwolfing”
“None of this is out of their RT range”
“I don’t think this is a RT”

He’s clearly never taken a hard stance as to whether or not I’m RTing him or not – he knows I can be and he has shown that he thought I was; and while doing this he starts saying that you’re [Arete] a wolf as well.

So like, with all of this in mind, he’s saying that you’re a wolf and that I’m kind of powerwolfy (but not out of the realm of RTs)

Then he places you above me (granted, we’re the bottom two slots) in his readlist

I guess it’s possible we’re both equally scummy from his POV but there’s an implied lack of doubt in whether or not I’m RTing him (I don’t think he thinks I am at this point)

I don’t know how to interpret that

I might try to figure it out again but my head hurts

@Arete generate content :^)

i think there was a post later on where i said im p sure he was town

but i tried really hard to figure this man out

anon6348071 · June 16, 2020, 6:24pm

I still guessed that Mercenary would flip NK and had Blizer as my SR since D1 though :^)