[Game Thread] Meowntainado (4/14) - Day 5 - Mafia Wins!

disappointed that Arctic was literally the only person to answer this apart from arguably Wendy (who was answering a totally different question not posed by me)

@Emilia
@EliThePsycho
@Hippolytus
@an_gorta_pratai

all of you were meaningfully present in the last hour of the day and haven’t already answered, can you walk me through your thought process in as much detail as you can

(technically Ketsuban was too but she basically just showed up to say that she wouldn’t make EoD proper and left so)

have you actually read Cabbage’s EoD? Cabbage just suddenly dropped an Aelin village read out of thin air with nothing preceding it

Cabbage was and is my biggest sr as of yesterday

you should also know my reasons for wanting Cabbage dead

okay so why does that make them a wolf other than ‘you think it could be TMI’

like I feel like if I were a wolf there and I hadn’t previously made a read on my village counterwagon I would be like ‘oh yeah definitely a wolf’ so that I could vote there and save myself?

well you said that they feel robotic and you implied you thought the Aelin wagon was a save attempt but I was sort of hoping for more details

that’s only part of it, basically I believe the Aelin wagon became a thing because there was an attempt to save cabbage

the whole Aelin wagon was unnatural as hell and people disregarded that and pushed it forward anyway, which is why I think those who pushed that wagon the hardest are wolves

I kinda feel like ‘Cabbage townreading Aelin is bad/wolfy’ and ‘the Aelin wagon was specifically an attempt to save Cabbage’ contradict

I refuse to believe that it was town being dumb because the whole Aelin push looks like tons of agenda

Both of those statements can be true. Cabbage CAN have a TMI read on Aelin and the rest of the wolves CAN push Aelin to save their teammate

I mean that’s technically true but I feel like it would defeat the entire point of having wolves save Cabbage

how else would they save cabbage?

by … not having Cabbage undermine the entire save attempt? Cabbage was nearly voted out yesterday because they refused to self-pres on Aelin

also it seems I’m on a tirade, but tomorrow morning I’ll expand my scopees

cabbage pushes Aelin they die the next day

I feel like whatever Cabbage had done at EoD you would be calling it wolfy

Cabbage defends Aelin → ‘oh, they must have had TMI’

Cabbage pushes Aelin → ‘wow, what a wolf-motivated push to save Cabbage’

like

what do you think village!Cabbage would do

I honestly don’t know, but based on everything cabbage has said and done I think they are a wolf

Next I’d like to address my take on Emilia, since that is the reason Wendy is pushing me.

First, near the start of the game when I initially started scumreading them, I had read them for something minor - voting me at the start of the game. It appeared to me as if Emilia wanted to execute a townie, and went to the first example she could attack. Although I knew at the time (and still know now) that the lead was small and possibly wrong, it was the only lead I had. I reasoned that the behavior was more likely scum than town.

But if you read my posts from that time on, I do not spend as much time accusing Emilia; instead, I talk to other individuals (namely Marshal, because they were prominently in the thread at the time) about their townread on Emilia. Because I had a suspicion on them, I did not want people to townread Emilia so easily; my posts are focused on asking people the reasonings behind their townreads and critiquing those reasonings, hopefully getting my audience to think more critically about Emilia’s alignment instead of relying on a very simple meta.

As for why I disliked people townreading Emilia more than townreading Eli, a player that I have said is in a similar place to Emilia, is that I have not found anything questionable from Eli. So although I disliked the fact that people (especially Marshal) are willing to townread Eli so easily, I had nothing against them so I let the townread slide. However, I had found objectionable content from Emilia at the time and have found more as time progressed, so I wanted to question people enough so that they wouldn’t take the lazy route of assuming that Emilia was town from “meta” and not actually reading into her posts.

As a side note to a side note, Ketsuban was included in my list of questions to the meta-readers since as an alt, I was unsure what kind of evidence they had to support any notion of meta-reading that slot. (This was before Ketsuban’s identity was revealed, I believe.)

After my reads have developed this far I left the thread for some time, and returned to find that three people had voted Aelin in quick succession (posts 850, 852, and 857). This in some way confirmed my scumread on Emilia, because up until this point Emilia had claimed that I was scum. Because I knew I was town, I assumed that this was Emilia not caring about which wagon to be on and just choosing whichever one had people she was comfortable with; this is seen by her complete lack of reasoning and simply agreeing to the new trend set by two pretty loud players. Although Wendy claims that Emilia moving her vote is indicative of us both being scum, I would rather suggest to see that both wagons (Aelin and myself) were both town, since if I had been scum with Emilia they would presumably find a better excuse to move. Them not giving any reason whatsoever is indicative of apathy, which is not an emotion one feels when their voting motivation is to defend one’s teammate.

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I literally explained it yesterday

Next I’d like to refute the points made by the other two accusers (Luxy and an_gorta_pratai), which will surprisingly be short!

As for Gorta, their accusation that “Wagons don’t come from nowhere” is again a very lazy way to continue pushing me; without actually looking into my posts or what I have done, they simply state that I must be scum since I was the counterwagon to a town wagon. They claim that I was their biggest scumread as of yesterday, but all they had found suspicious of me was the one post at the beginning and the existence of my wagon versus Aelin’s, again pointing to the parroting that I believe indicates Gorta’s scumminess.

I also see that they have a new accusation against me, that I have TMI because I had no reasoning beforehand to townread Aelin; however, I have explained this in great detail at EoD yesterday, once again pointing to the fact that Gorta is attacking me for the sake of attacking, with no regard for my actual content. I have explained that I reasoned no scum would be the subject of a flash wagon with such lethality, and consequently that at least one of those that piled onto Aelin’s wagon was scum.

As for Luxy, I do like it that they point out that the only way for me to live today is to convince everyone that yesterday was T/T; I, as town, am trying my best to prove it. However, this is not a valid reason to scumread me, since it is the only way for me to live as either alignment. I have continued my scumread of Emilia since yesterday, and I hope that people have read through what the reasonings are; I hope people see that I am correct, and trust me enough to prove myself once Emilia the wolf is executed.

I thought the sarcasm was pretty obvious and that they were joking in response

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