@Icibalus can you explain your TMI-case on Possessed a little more? sometimes it feels like you think he’s TMIing Marshal and sometimes it feels like you think he’s TMIing Derps and I’m not sure which you’re saying, or if you’re saying both
Possessed ATEing probably comes from town even though I hate it
like
can we as a site find some way to respond to being scumread without just being like ‘/selfvote [ATE] also lynch [random other player] once I flip town’ because regardless of alignment it’s super obnoxious
Vulgard is undeniably a wolf, and here’s why.
(Please note that there is a glitch with quoting where posts i quote with a quote inside of them seem to be from the poster vul is quoting instead of from vul. If ya got any questions on if a post really did come from vul i can the number for ya)
ALSO IF YOU DON’T WISH TO READ THE WHOLE THING, A TL;DR FOR EACH SECTION IS AVALIABLE AFTER YOU CLICK ON THE SECTION
Part 1: The "Takes" Theorem
Part 1-A: This Game
Now what vulgard has in his wolf-game are these “takes”, which are base-level observations on alignments or associations based on 1 interaction.
these suck hard
and let me tell you why.
Let’s dissect this post for a second. Arete does their own, meh/shitty take, calling hippo a town-lean for memeing.
This take does suck. And vul calls that out. but his take on that take is even worse. Arete lightly townleaning hippo for an eh reason gives vul the “hippo/arete w/w” take immediately. Which is… *soooooooo, soooo, sooooo easily how a chain lynch happens. Preflipping someone from 1 small eh interaction is so fucking godawful i can’t even.
Now im going to quote a few posts that are all simply godawful takes off of few interactions.
This is meh at best case for arete!w here, but how does it make hippo W? ya still haven’t explained it
This dismissal of me sucks on it’s own
This is probably the most fabricated read i’ve seen. A simple mech question that was posted in the main thread yeilds “super pure tone”. He did try to justify it however
with probably the worst justification i’ve seen in a while.
Lowercase - do i even have to explain why that is NAI?
Against thread direction - I think i’ve actually seen wolf!kat do just this. This is called… pushing agenda!
Mech talk - Do i even need to explain why that is NAI, if not slightly scum AI?
seriously terrible justification for a seriously terrible case.
im going to quote a few more “takes” now cuz i think my point has been made
Ok i have to call this out im sorry but are you seriously townreading solic for saying “WUT” to eevee being weird. LIke you can’t tell me this is town.
ok i mean this post is just pure hedge like geez. “not a good look for derps becuase easy vote. But also not wolfy. eh he could be villager off of this. idk ill think later”
why even post this(unless one wants to look like they are solving)
geez
and this. I’m not “bullying” anything, or anyone. Another poor reason behind a read
Part 1-B: Why This is Wolfy for meta
Now you might be saying. Well, although these justifications are not good, and this does not look like a genuine attempt at solving, maybe this is NAI.
It’s not.
Im reading him on these just like i read him on these in FoL26. Here are a few examples from that game, if you want them.
Basically more shitty “takes” from my guy vulgard.
:^) sure buddy
I think this is a good stopping point
Tell me you don’t see similarities between how he’s playing there and here. These “Takes” are a wolf!vul staple and i’m seeing them again.
Part 1-C: TL;DR
Vulgard, as wolf, tends to make “takes” based off of small interactions or short posts. These tend to have poor justification and are easily used to look like solving/set up chain-mislynches. He did this both here and in FoL26 and it was my primary reason for wolfreading him im both games
Below is a compilation of some of these “takes” from this game and that game
FoL 26
This game(Evolution Mafia)
I hope it isn’t difficult to see why this is wolfy in and of itself, and why it’s wolfy for a meta reason.
Part 2: General Scummy tone/thread actions
Part 2-a: Main Read
This post seems fabricated, as it was posted when he was under heavy fire from me. Like i was calling him wolf hard and here he gives this “oh im so relaxed and not panicked” thing which is fake as either alignment but the fact that it’s fake points to W
Ah yes, the classic "i know someone’s scumtell but im not gonna say ;). Not going to scumread too much off of this but remember, someone did the same thing with a certain someone in JoJo.
This casual dismissal of me also screams wolf. Like i scumread him and he just goes “ur wrong, now im ignoring you”
Again feels like a facade
and this feels a small small little bit self-aware
I mean i’d argue there are much more ways for someone to be mech-confirmable then just IC but this post isnt relevant to vul much at all.
Self-meta
I mean this is def TMI but like whatever, this doesn’t concern me
This uber-amount of self-awareness is what im concerned about. I feel like wolf!vul would be more self-aware then usual after FoL26, and here it’s in pretty high numbers
I mean this wasn’t ever really explained why he thought that and I want more from it. Because right now this feels like a shit justification for TMI or a perspective-slip.
oh and also i am gonna include this next post which i likely wasn’t at first but then i find a case here
these posts give off the ever-so-slight vibe of “i control the d1 lynch” which scum often feel like they do and do.
gives slight self-aware vibes
I mean the “i always suck early” thing is a good justification for, y’know, pushing agenda early. And these posts aren’t terrible if that lack of confidence is displayed in a players posts, but vuglard is very confident and that conflicts with this statement. So either im mis-reading vulgard’s confidence level or this was just said as an excuse to push agenda/for already pushing agenda.
<3
ok thats enough for me
Part 2-b: TL;DR
Now here’s the general take-aways from my ISO:
Vulgard is showing a high level of self-awareness that would be expected in a wolf!vul world after FoL26.
Vulgard’s claimed level of confidence and actual level of confidence are different, and it shows. He will say “hey my d1 reads are bad early and don’t trust me”, but then will act like he controls the lynch and will use it to get me lynched. Part 2-a elaborates on this more, i suggest reading it.
Vul’s casual dismissal of me(and a few others too) and overall casual additude in the face of adversity are not only fairly clearly fabricated, but also very uncharachteristic of town!vulgard in general.
And yes, this bad boy is over 20000 charachters now. You shouldn’t read all of it if you don’t want to. But i suggest it
So I’m assuming your all caps spam, your continuous insistence for people to sheep you, your overwhelming confidence in having the game solved, etc., are not examples of bullying the thread into getting the lynch you want, even if it’s wrong?
That case is Marshal dissecting all of my posts to find me as wolf regardless of my motivation. He’s looking to prove I’m a wolf without considering I may be a villager.