SFoL 61.5 - Fortress of the Dark Deity (4/16) - Complete - The Unseen, Guardian, and Senex win!

[Arete]

/vote Intensify

[Amelia]

The sun sets upon Castle Adiart and Day 1 ends. Night 1 has begun and will end at 2020-05-26T00:07:00Z. Deadline for actions is one hour before day start.

[Intensify]

I will answer your questions when tommorow starts Ans, but till tmrw we see

[Amelia]

A replacement is needed. Please DM me or Marshal if you wish to replace in.

[Amelia]

Ah yeah

@KyoDaz @Vulgard @Geyde @EVO @Aelin

Backup pingus

[Amelia]

Still missing some night actions.

[Amelia]

Kat get out of here

Also the deadline for submitting night actions has been reached and they will now be processed

[Marshal]

Sending out feedback now

If you get nothing, you slept peacefully

[Amelia]

Flavor

Amelia and Marshal rise from their sleep and meet up. Same old deal as last time. Wait what? What last time? Somehow, Amelia and Marshal had deja vu! They simply decide to go to court, where the court is once again gathered around a dead body.

The dead was a powerful sorceress with the ability to manipulate time itself. Her waist was carved to make her body appear like an hourglass. Perhaps a cruel mockery? Nobody truly knows, but the Cult has vowed to get vengeance for her!

Alice was killed during the night! She was…

The Witcher

Cult Support
Paradox (Day) - All Day abilities used on your target today will secretly fail. 1 use
Rewind (Night) - If your target is attacked, delay the death for 1 night and move it to yourself. You will know the next night if there’s a death on you. 3 uses
Temporal Distortion (Night) - If you have a delayed death on you tonight, move it to another player. 2 uses

Defeat the Blue Dragon and Unseen as well as any neutrals who would oppose you.

Alice left no discernable logs for the court.

Day 2 has begun, and will end at 2020-05-28T00:09:00Z. With 15 players alive, majority is 8. You may now post.

[Napoleon]

/scepter of fealty Clonedcheese

[TheBlueElixir]

dang

SoD incoming, people in allies out what happened

[katze]

hi this is katze from the past, i hope the future has less pandemics going on

@katze

i know

gonna reeval arete/crich/appel

maybe derps too

and uh… idk, ill figure the rest out on a more awake mind

@katze

guess ill reeval ans tonight too if i get around to that

unless you retract the claim

it looks like nappy retracted the bleeding claim, which is cool cause thats less work for me

i was gonna look at arete first but i’d like to reread crichs early posts to fully understand the context as to why arete was scumreading them

💸💸💸

@CRichard564

At this stage of the game? Not buying it. I remember your “red check” on me last game we had.

“at this stage of the game” is very peculiar wording - if he’s town then he would know any redchecks are false unless it’s something like a maid damsel incompatible check (which has plausible truth)

but the default response to “redcheck” would be to assume it’s probably a cop check, right?

@CRichard564

We can only hope.

@CRichard564

Actually you are right Italy.

@CRichard564

I can’t argue against that.

these posts read as a lot more stoic than his posting in ToSFM2, they’re just observations as opposed to his own thoughts

couple example posts from his first ~25 posts in ToSFM2

@CRichard564

Pokemon’s vote on me is an interesting way to start the day. It could be his way of fishing for information on my alignment.

@CRichard564

Katze’s claim at this stage of the game without knowing what NK we’re up against seems to be a town move. Why do this as coven when the NK for all we know can be found by the Sheriff?

@CRichard564

At this stage I’m putting katze as a town lean. Claiming Sheriff this early in the game seems rather risky for a wolf to do.

@CRichard564

Katze did indeed copy from Vulgard in SFoL 60. Yet as I said before, it is a risky move doing it as a wolf.

@CRichard564

Yeah gorta is obviously claiming citizen. Thing is we have at least 6 Citizens in this game and at this point, they help provide meat shields for TI,TP,TS, TK and RT.

@CRichard564

Nope still town pepe hands.

i dont think this post is AI i just find their use of pepe hands hilarious

@CRichard564

As I said before Derps is taking this game more seriously than last game. He could be telling the truth about being a Mercenary.

@CRichard564

Ans do we have any reason to think even if he’s a mercenary that his targets are town right now?
We have no idea at this point.

although these two seem about in line from what ive seen in his town games

@CRichard564

Lets hear it right now Arete. Seeing that he already has a negative impression of me.

@CRichard564

It’s interesting that Arete admits he’s confbiasing, yet he thinks my tone is off. I was suspected for the same reasons last game was I not?

@CRichard564

Well seeing that I’m scum read again for acting as I do, that’s no surprise at this point.

@CRichard564

I have a habit of being scum read in my town games. This game is no surprise as of now.

this frustration reads as genuine, but i don’t know if i find that massively AI (i know arete was partially clearing him for it) for the sole reason that crichard has been actively seeking a wolf game for quite a while now, and if he were scumread early in his first wolf game i could see him being unhappy about it

but being scumread as town is also not the best feeling

he’s really drawing this home though, and my gut doesn’t like that but my brain doesn’t think its AI

but again, this kind of lines up with ToSFM2 where he was pretty unhappy with marshal for shading him

short snippet, i don't want to quote much as it gets hostile

@CRichard564

See if you’re going to read me as scum, that’s up to you. Perhaps I need to remind everyone that every game I’ve had so far I’ve been town. So you have no knowledge how I behave as a wolf to base your scum reads on me on.

@CRichard564

Ok seriously what the hell are you doing pushing on me?

@CRichard564

Perhaps I need to repeat myself. I’ve never been starting WOLF. Or is that too hard to understand?

and he goes on for a bit in that game about it

so actually i think “meta” is an okay look here but the whole “crichard has never had a wolf game” means using meta to read him is probably even worse than usual (meta bad, btw, someone please quote this as the only thing you read from this entire wallpost because its the only part that matters and itd prove someones actually reading this)

but it has precedent which is a better look

@CRichard564

Appel is villagey based on their posts so far. These are the posts I’m thinking of.

this thought process seems about in line with his past games, from what i can remember

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imma stop doing a full ISO and just point out any posts i find massively AI if there are any cause i don’t want to write full ISOs

@CRichard564

This is a strange entrance if he is town.

@CRichard564

Based on this post and the previous posts, he is a scum lean now.

he still isn’t the best at detecting jokes

thast prob not AI

although making a read like this is an okay look, he wasn’t the first person to show concern at cloneds’ posting so i won’t give it much thought

i see a lot of posts asking people about their reads on people

did he do that in sfol61.0

eh, kind of? he did it less but there’s some posts in the same ballpark

@CRichard564

He is a slight scum lean based on his entrance

(this post is in context to being asked on their read on arete)

@Arete

@CRichard564

Arete admitted they are conf biased on my slot, so the fact they think Appel’s defence of me is bad is no surprise at all.

@CRichard564

I have it on record you are conf biased on my slot.

@CRichard564

That any reads you have on my slot aren’t going to change no matter how many towny things I’ve done in the past, now and the future.

@CRichard564

To you? Obviously nothing I say or do will ever convince you once you’ve made up your mind.

so you claim to be scumreading me

but a lot of these posts only make sense from a PoV where you think I’m a tunnelled townie (e.g. you thinking that I’m too tunnelled to be convinced)

why is that

@CRichard564

Based on your word and entrance? You admitted in your own words you are conf biased against me.
Does this remind you of anything?

@Arete

at this point I’m definitely confbiasing but CRich’s tone is

So in your own words, why should anyone else believe your read on me when this is on record you are biased against my slot?

@CRichard564

You have to be really stupid if you scum read for the worst reasons I’ve ever seen. Wow I expected better from you, yet you disappoint me.

these posts are really hostile and again, the frustration reads as genuine

i still don’t think frustration is AI, and i don’t think the hostility is either

but i wanted to comment on the posts arete quoted; i don’t really think they blatantly TMI arete as town (although if crich flips groupscum then i think these posts kind of spew arete as non-groupscum; but that’s partially because i don’t think arete would write this to a partner) but i kind of agree that they are written from a weird perspective, they’re written in a way that it doesn’t really sound like they scumread arete much

but they also said it was a light SR, so i don’t think this completely kills the slot yet

@CRichard564

Any invokers should be thinking of poisoning this king right now.

tbh i think this might be a bit too brazen for wolf!Crich? ofc i have no sample size, but like, it’s D1 and nappy was never really below a consensus nullread

fuck i am way too tired to write long ISOs like this
actually imma just stop this one here, i think ive reached a conclusion anyway and i want to eat before i sleep

i think crich is a light townlean for reasons i don’t love

🤓

@Arete

okay maybe Derps is actually a Merc

@Arete

Derps likes to openclaim neut as neut >:(

I think the odds are good he’s some sort of neut

not gonna quote more arete “derps is neut”/“derps is merc” posts

i was gonna say how i found the fact that arete was actively believing derps’ neutral claim made arete unlikely to be a neutnonkiller, but then i realized that as a scum neutnonkiller arete would likely actively want people to think they are, in fact, not a neutral, so

…why did i say i’d reeval arete, i don’t know how to read them

im skimming aretes ISO in evolution mafia (where they were a LW who knew the scumteam) and i notice theyre basically shading villagers at every possible avenue while defending wolves (and occasionally trying to lightly pocket villagers)
also theres a pretty funny interaction between me and them here

why did i feel the need to quote this

@Arete

What’s your true scumtell then

@katze

talking about my scumtell is my scumtell

@Arete

But you’ve done that this game

@katze

i know

@Arete

So are you saying you’re scum

@katze

that is the implication, arete

@katze

@Arete

@Arete

aaaaaaaaa

why isnt vulgard in this game, he’d be very useful because he’s a free read and he also has a free read on arete

next topic: aretes scumread on crichard

@Arete

CRich did you finally get a scum game

@Arete

/vote CRich

@Arete

at this point I’m definitely confbiasing but CRich’s tone is

@Arete

CRichard has never had a wolf game (possibly excepting this one)

@Arete

Why are you so concerned about people townreading CRich

i dont think any of these posts are AI individually

@Arete

…was my snapread 50 posts in actually correct

why does this post in particular read as fake to me?

@Arete

CRich if you’re town here it would be easier to find you as town if you try and solve the game rather than just defending yourself

i like this post, it’s more likely to come from town seriously trying to reconsider a read they think they might be wrong in than a wolf TMIing someone as town (and additionally i feel like arete is a bit annoyed that crichard is just defending themselves here)

@Arete

Talk to me about this

Why does that post (and his previous posts) make him a scumlean for you

this continues; i feel like arete is trying to solve crichard here
or at least look like they are

@Arete

I hate that I’m clearing him on this (like, insulting people is … not good play) but I do think it’s town-AI

@Arete

I don’t even disagree at this point that he’s unfortunately probably town

But I don’t think his responses were ‘mostly townie’

i feel like both of these are also more likely to come from a townie

the progression of their read on crichard doesn’t read as super unnatural but i don’t think its extremely necessary for a wolf to fake this progression this soon? i don’t think it’d be hard to continue this scumread if they were a wolf

@Arete

…I had a slight tinfoil that you were EK Princereading me and trying to signal to the scumteam to kill me

@Arete

I had an initial response but it could make PR hunting easier for scum so I deleted it

i think this post is town motivated

i don’t feel like quoting my conversation with arete about reads but i think upon rereading it nothing screams scummy, but i also don’t think arete would struggle to look towny in an interaction as simple as “discussing reads with katze”

@Arete

sidenote

why is kat so high in everyone’s readlists

she … hasn’t actually done anything that felt >rand townie? like I don’t scumread her but last game there were some things she did that made me think ‘ah yes, this is town,’ and I don’t see it this game

@Arete

kat - why is she being cleared

i already wrote a post on why i think these posts are more likely to come from town!arete

@katze

i had a weird reason to lightly TR you for questioning my status
but i also just realized i think its actually about in your scum meta

but i was thinking that

i remember in evolution mafia you said how im really hard to mislynch

so i was like “oh, scum!arete would probably just leave me be because there’s way lower hanging fruit than me”

but im also pretty sure scum!arete wouldn’t let me get threadspewed or whatever its called

i acknowledged then that its kind of in what i remember your scum meta to be
and thats probably still true
but i still think its more likely to come from town

and if i leave it at that i think i can stop reading aretes ISO, cause the rest is mostly insignificant or more of the same

i think anerd is a medium townlean, and they’d probably be a bit higher if their name wasn’t arete

🍎

oh thank the fucking lord your ISO is short

@Appelsiini

CRich’s tone is no different from last game, and it’s a fair point. Why do you think it seems ‘off’?

@Appelsiini

He said the exact thing about me last game

@Appelsiini

Word to word. Why did this suddenly turn into a CRich critisism -thread?

I think his tone is just as scummy as last game and last game he was apparently a town so I don’t want to take it into consoderation as much when reading him

@Appelsiini

Also is it really just me or is everything just wrong with this thread? I don’t like the way everyone immediately jumped on CRich’s tone being scummy.

Is there actually something wrong with my eyes?

i think appels defense of crichard is odd, but i think its most likely to come from someone who thinks crichard is acting simiarly to sfol61.0, or W/W Appel/CRich (which i obviously doubt, thats too easy)

i think as a wolf (while crichard is not a wolf) appel has no real reason to defend crichard here, they’re going against the threadstate to defend him.

@Appelsiini

I would normally say it’s scummy but I literally scumread his tone for the whole game and he ended up being town. I can’t judge it until I go to compare them together

i think this is a decent post as well

enough about appels defense on crichard (even though thats like, half their ISO… which is notable)

@Appelsiini

I’m just going to say - I actually wasn’t impressed with the way Ans started, but their later posts seem like villagery (even though I don’t really know how they act as wolf)

@Appelsiini

The way he started seemed overall different. Last game first thing he did was talking about mech stuff and planning, whereas here he actively fluffed. I was kinda waiting how long it would go on for before commenting on it, but then they moved onto putting pressure on CRich.
I was somehow expecting them to question people before making assumptions, like they did last game iirc. His tone came to me as more ‘off’ than CRich’s

@Appelsiini

Why do you do this to me Anstreim
Weren’t you a little more hesitant about jumping into conclusions like this, especially this early, last time?

another read thats generally opposite of the threads opinion

@Appelsiini

I’ve had only one wolf game so far, being SFV

hmm, lemme skim her ISO in that game real quick even though that game is a top tier meme

and… her posts in SF5 actually seem to display a decent level of fake solving. alice was calling her out for being cautious and i don’t think she’s been too cautious this game

i dont have the motivation to skim to see how contrarian her reads were in that game though

…lets just go back to sfol61.5

@Appelsiini

I went to look at CRich’s opening posts again by the way, and they really do differ a lot from this one’s. I think I may have been biased because I was too used to his aggressiveness (and the lack of it was a big reason why I scumread him then)

reconsidering their read on crich after claiming to reread sfol61.0 is a decent look although they don’t appear to provide any quotes

@Appelsiini

Basically, I saw nothing wrong with his tone because that’s his ‘normal’ for me. I didn’t exactly have the clearest memory of his really early posts, and I didn’t bother to go check until now

@Appelsiini

He’s been playing like a typical V!CRich so null/slightly townlean. Him townreading me reminded me of the way he ignored the accusations when I scumread him, but it would obviously make sense coming from a wolf so I treat it as NAI.

@Napoleon

So are you saying that in SFoL 61, he didn’t start off as aggressive, and in SFoL 61.5, he did, and that’s the difference in tone you seem to have found?

Yes. In SFoL 61, he instead just townleaned people like there was no tomorrow

i cant tell how i feel about appel backing off of their crichard defense like this

at a glance it looks fine though

but i keep looking back at their SF5 ISO and it really looks villagery

@Appelsiini

why do i feel like you lied about being bled
it doesn’t make sense from neither scum nor town

do i say “is this TMI?” or “is this a fair observation if it was done 1000 posts earlier”

@Appelsiini

which makes me believe they could be someone who can possibly mech-confirm themselves.

whether or not you believe this doesn’t matter; i really don’t like that you’re essentially PR hunting in thread

i think this citrus fruit is a light-med townlean, leaning towards the former due to their later posts

bonus things

@anon6348071

I don’t trust you with writing wallposts, if you did it would probably turn out atrocious :^)

fight me

this was not meant to become a wallpost

@Amelia

Kat get out of here

angry katze noises im QUOTING POSTS LEAVE ME ALONE

what the fuck this post is so long

im not writing shit on derps my brain was shutting down writing this post

[Napoleon]

Ans has me pocketed if he’s scum

[TheBlueElixir]

Me hard claiming inq(what I considered starting the day with)

Im an inquisitor.

n1: Interrogate Intensify - not heathen

My heretics are Arbiter/Bloodletter/???.

Arbiter - why I have to and will side town for now. I find it odd that the only two people with a strong amount of thread control are me and nappy, both modconfirmed to not be nk, at least to me. Note that I am the anti-claim because of it.

current suspects are ans/gaja/alice

Bloodletter - remember that bleeding claim? I was looking to see if I could get a soft out of someone who thought it might be real and was upset. I re-read it - nobody did.

???- The heathen I worry least, but not outing it

‘but Blue’ says you, ‘why out this now’

well ill tell you fine lad, im a neutral, people don’t trust neutrals, and im not exactly town, though I will hunt with them. I want my intentions clear.

‘but Blue’ says you again, ‘people didn’t believe your noot claim’

after we start seeing flips and after we start seeing no noots and eventually people will probably think im more suspicious then I probably am, they will turn to me. I want to out at my peak, not an excuse at my low.

this is a terrible idea

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What Inq claim(read this)

I hard-claim town.

Wow real cool Blue

I started claiming alch as a joke, I copied what kat wrote last game. Some people didn’t see past that, some did. Kat later caught me softing neutral.

What?

Ill post what I considered starting the day with too.

Why?

originally: Like all good things, I thought it was funny at first, didn’t think I would keep up with it though.
midday?: I posted somewhere I that I thought id be threadspewed this game. Not too long before that post, I realized this was an opportunity to avoid both death and convert(not that im really afraid of getting converted, but so others realize in not), even if only for a night, like Marshal in FoL 27. I didn’t think the scumfac would let me just be , so I tried something.

I don’t think scum would kill/convert me if there is a slight chance im not what I seem

however, lotta people openly admitted to thinking im a fraud, but if your seeing this, im not dead, and I hopefully wasn’t converted. Guess we/I know if my shenaniganry pulled off tomorrow.

why out this now?

im not gonna get caught up in my claim lategame and get mislynched for it. Also -EV to keep lying without a good reason.

sorry if you didn’t like it.

shoutout to katze who made this possible

also shoutout to Ans(and arete?) that thought I was too towny to be noot I didn’t think that was a thing.

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Heathen thoughts(reads)

1. CRichard564 (pre-in)
2. katze
3. TheBlueElixir
4. Anstreim
5. Alice
6. Arete (pre-in)
7. Intensify
8. Italy
9. Napoleon
10. an_gorta_pratai
11. ModeShifter
12. Appelsiini
13. Jane
14. SirDerpsAlot
15. Gaja1234
16. Clonedcheese

Reads:

TRs

Nappy - I mean sometimes LWs are hard to spot but im p confident this is town based on being demanding and RTs(for real this time). A few things felt off, but that doesn’t override the macroread.

Italy - One does not simply roll scum again and become town leader Italy . If somehow is scum itll be obvious soon, but I doubt it. Scum Italy here just doesn’t have the confidence.

TLs

Appel - content per post is still high, and the general scrutiny surrounding the slot revolves around a contrarian thought at SoG that I don’t just understand but I agree with. I like the slot, but would like to see more real-time from this slot - Apprentice in FE managed to trick me by doing a near-exact thing as appel has done in both games, but he never did a lot of real-time. So hopefully I get more time to solidify this read but I like it rn.

Intensify - gun-to-head this is town because of care-freenessess. I don’t have anything more.

Mode - raise the sails, its a meta read. Unfortunately not a lot of posts, which may later turn em, but they seem to be trying to be a less angry version of their past self. This is my weakest TL, but luckly, for me, its also a mech conditional.

kat - Nothing pinged me too hard either way, though I do remember them angry that I was noot, which I liked, and they made a readslist, which was good. I wasn’t sure if this belonged here for upper echelon, worth paying close attention to the slot.

CRich - reaction to the RT was good, and the case against them was stupid. + they felt alone in the thread, but tbf there are only 2 gscum rn so the last point isn’t big. A little fear I said I had earlier was that they mentioned at the end they thought it could be an RT. Did they possibly know during it?

The Upper Echelon(Upper PoE)

ans - Like a dog with a scent, I felt something was off earlier, and hunted it. This slot has been asking 0 questions, demanding not nearly as much out of people, and a lot of the towny things are things he also did in SFoL 61, but the bar is now raised. The charts and walls can be chalked up to him trying to copy his actions. I think I might have to put it to the standard of Arete/Alice - if they are right, then they are town. If they are wrong, they are scum. Its either that or they start smiting SLs with questions.

arete is arete so null

jk arete - I remember waay too little about this slot, but this slot has been asking a lot of questions and providing some analysis. Both of the questions and the answers haven’t reached the unfakeable zone though, so there still nully.

The Rest of the Gang

gorta - lowposting If I remember right

cheese - low-content If I remember right

Gaja - gaja gaja hard carries games

Jane - I always SR Jane It like what happened last game where I don’t know why I should clear em, but this time people seem to agree. Want to see the wall they promised, but they sit defaultly in here.

SDA intentionally excluded

[anon6348071]

Well then.
I was going to save this for later but as of last night, I have some very interesting interesting and relevant information – on which I will likely elaborate really soon.
But first, I want a certain person to post within the thread.

[SirDerpsAlot]

@Jane UwU

[TheBlueElixir]

hey can everybody that visited alice claim if they did

[SirDerpsAlot]

Lemme guess, your info is on Jane?