[SFoL] SFoL 63 - Triple Threat: Virtuous - Game Over (4/26) - Blue Dragon (evils) win!

[TheBlueElixir]

@Aelin

Sulit, I’m liking your interactions, but you aren’t being very solvey. I was townreading Chloe before this, and I’m still townleaning you, but I’d like some more “looky-looky” out of you.

I get this post and agree with it I just dont like how its written

@sulit

I liked the general aggressiveness in their posts

I dont remember his wolf games but he was aggressive in DGADT and snappy in JoAT9

I understand what you mean though, its more of a passion here

@ChopChop

TBE is Generic

[sulit]

uh

ok

[ChopChop]

@Aelin

Sulit, I’m liking your interactions, but you aren’t being very solvey. I was townreading Chloe before this, and I’m still townleaning you, but I’d like some more “looky-looky” out of you.

Why did it change from a Read to a Lean?

[Amelia]

Current VC

Voted	Voters	Votes
Vulgard	SirDerpsALot	1/14
Leafia	Italy	1/14
Sulit	Vulgard	1/14
PokemonKidRyan	Zone_Q11, Soulshade55r	2/14
an_gorta_pratai	Centuries, TheBlueElixir	2/14
PsychoKang	Moleland	1/14
Alice	Insanity, PokemonKidRyan	2/14
Magnus	Light, PsychoKang	2/14
Surge	Wazza	1/14
Insanity	Alice, Surge, ATNoName, Frostwolf103, Whysper	5/14
Soulshade55r	N.1	1/14
Centuries	Leafia	1/14

[TheBlueElixir]

@Amelia

|an_gorta_pratai|Centuries|1/14

@Amelia

|an_gorta_pratai|TheBlueElixir|1/14

mitosis

[ash4fun]

Wheee ISO time!!!

start-7:40
finish-probably a lot later

an_gorta_pratai

@an_gorta_pratai

I should have spoilered that, but I want to see people explaining their reads (and votes) better, let’s use terms like bd/bd and HoB/HoB (it should be less confusing), and make better social reads because social reads will win us this game. @ATNoName don’t use your conversion blockers n1 if they can’t convert n1

@Frostwolf103

I did explain that, you missed that I believe.

Also I am going to bed.

I might have, but that was more of a general statement

@Wazza

For the last time can people read my posts and specifically see I explained them as much as I wanted to at this point.

again it was a general statement, but I will check it out when I get the chance

@an_gorta_pratai

W/W should be fine until we know if one is BD or HoB, but then we should be more specific determining if something is BD/BD or HoB/HoB

A lot of mech talk, not much reading, just kinda coasting so far

@an_gorta_pratai

@Vulgard

why are you playing like chloe 2

I do want to make reads, but I felt the need to ask that question. If you read my posts I have said that I think social reads are the way to go, so I was questioning why we should just mech clear people at the drop of a hat

@Vulgard

i don’t find the act of asking questions wolfy by itself but when it’s all you’re doing then something is wrong because you’re not reaching any conclusions yourself and you’re not showing any thought process

I was sleeping and I haven’t just asked questions. If you look at my ISO (it’s very short) I have also made suggestions and done a few things

heh, responds to above. I don’t think the response clears them from the suspicion in any way.

@an_gorta_pratai

@Vulgard

okay this is going to be troublesome because the replacement most likely has different thoughts regardless of their alignment

but Sulit replacing in doesn’t change that slot’s alignment, so we shouldn’t ignore Chloe’s posts

yet again, talking about “what town should do”. This sort of talk is really easy for scum and a bit of a red flag for me.

@an_gorta_pratai

Don’t accuse high posters of being a wolf just because they have a higher post could and are good and don’t clear low posters just for being inactive.

ugh even more of it. They aren’t solving, they’re talking about “good play”. Like that stuff’s important if people are driving the gamestate into a wall, but they aren’t even trying to read the people who are doing this.

Scumread - a lot of mech/“good play” talk, literally no reading going on.

Light

@Aelin

Main thoughts:
I’m liking Chloe for trying to keep the thread on track so far, trying not to concentrate too hard on the bleed
Also, the bleed: Very quickly in the game. If it’s real, I’m going to say that it’s NAI whatsoever, as it is a multiball. Odds are that Vulgard is town, but I could say that about every single person here.
Leafia, I will need to see a bit more of before I can really be sure of anything. She has a reputation of being very wolfy in all of her games, even when town. I do not like the self-meta, though.
I do not see any reason why Intensify expressing doubt on the bleed is AI, and definitely not to the degree of voting them (from Vulgard).
Italy is being… oddly active. Other people may know their activity tells better than I do, but I’m pretty sure that them participating is scum indicative.

Making reads in their poener, me likey

@Aelin

I don’t remember much of Soul’s posts. He was pushing Leafia, I think?

@Aelin

I agree, vanity wagons are actually pretty good at this point in the game. Pressure on lowposters is something I encourage, actually.

These look like actual thoughts

@Aelin

@ash4fun

@Aelin

I am not going to townread someone off of useless drabble. SDA refusing to actually contribute to the games he plays in is NAI. I haven’t seen anything particularly indicative out of him either thusfar. Once I am given something AI, I will start to read him.

Last two sentences are okay by themselves but I really don’t like them combined with the second…

Gosh, that sentence again. I’m sorry. I don’t know the right word. SDA regularly… doesn’t commit to reading the OPs? It’s just escaping me and I don’t know why.

rereading this makes a lot more sense in context

@Aelin

TBE is bullying me

Being serious, though, I don’t like how ash entirely ignored me asking him why I’m one of his greatest scumreads.

I like this thought, also I def never explained this. I did a 3v3 when I had 2 people below null. So that little sentence issue (which you have cleared up for me now) made a good 3rd

No more quotey, but I think the rest of this iso looks alright.

Townlean - lotta good stuff near the beginning, nothing to change it later. They don’t have the same issues as with homestuck.

Vulgard

ehhh, I’m not gonna quote posts unless it’s a shorter iso

Townread - I can see their thought process on just about everything, and they feel the same as joat^2

~~Chloe~~ -> sulit

So I’m just gonna sheep vulgard’s read here about what chloe’s looking for:

@Vulgard

joat^2

@Elephas

I suppose I should broaden my view and look at players outside of Leafia.

@Flameo

The Katze/Sulit exchange makes me think that they are not a scum team, because the exchange is just too weird to start out like that if that makes sense? I don’t see them planning that out like that. I would like more of an explanation on Sulit’s part of the townread if that was legit.

I dislike the idea of Wolf/Wolf reads this early. I think we should be focusing on indivudual levels of wolfiness, at least until we have votes, and other mechanics to work with.
I also believe “if that makes sense?” is an interesting phrase to use alongside a Wolf/Wolf read, as it implies they cannot explain it fully.

@CatLover

So far I am a pretty big fan of sulit’s tone in thread. She seems to have this almost concealed confidence about her. On first glance, it seems like she’s just having fun in thread, but in a few of her posts, I see a subtle side come out that I think is a really good look!

Reading through this large post, I find myself agreeing with CatLover. I would love if someone with knowledge of Sulit’s meta would chime in and tell us if her opener is anything of value.

@Leafia

Not sure what my take is on Sulit and Catlover is right now, but I’ll have my eye on both of them. Could they both be groupscum? Possibly. Could they both be town? Also possible.

@CatLover

What is this post actually trying to accomplish? “Could they both be groupscum? Possibly. Could they both be town? Also possible.”. What does that actually say about our alignments? How does a post like this help to advance the gamestate?

Unless this is some sort of read where you think sulit and I are aligned, I see no reason for this post to exist.

CatLover had the same thoughts as I at this moment. They beat me to the punch. I quite like this player so far as we have very similar takes on the game.

I have to return to work now, as my lunch break is over.

town chloe actually reaches conclusions on at least a few people’s alignments early
which is natural if you want to actually solve
she also finds villagers

@Chloe

@TheBlueElixir

Made(mostly) before i got my classcard. I know like half of the people in this game are only putting in half effort but I wanna win this one.

Nobody is going to read this, minus like
three people

@N.1

Thank you all once again, and let’s have some fun.

same as above

@Vulgard

senpai

wolf

@TheBlueElixir

just keep posting

are you sandbagging this game?

gross post

@Vulgard

what the actual fuck i have just been bled

dont ignore vul just because he claimed bled, thanks

not gunna have mechanics fuck up this game

@N.1

Vulgard >rand V

he’s incredibly popular on all fronts, even on the front of being bled, he’s less likely than others i know to attempt gigamind reaction tests extremely early, and well he could be the other wolf faction because multiball, but eh.

This is really gross
Its so early, why are we doing this so early

@N.1

he could be the other wolf faction

Also this is weird
Why not say “Vul could still be a wolf here” rather than “the other wolf faction”
You don’t think the bleed came from town ever ?

@Leafia

Reading someone town because they got bled is literally the wolfiest play I’ve ever seen on this site. Are you a wolf N.1?

First post is a read and a vote
I don’t like it.

@TheBlueElixir

/vote chloe

post

bro leave me alone im eating a donut

A. Shit is going too fast for me. Can people stop posting one-liners, please
B. I’m eating breakfast and have the mental capacity of my sister atm, so dont expect any refined thoughts. thanks

/vote Leafia

@Chloe

@Vulgard

/vote Chloe

this is not omgus

how could it be omgus if i wasnt pushing you
nerd

@Italy

vulgard getting bled is certainly

either fake or there’s a scum that vul has a godread on

I actually think i might have an aneurysm if this entire SoD becomes talk about Vul’s bleed
There is zero point speculating on it imo
Bleeds are delayed deaths, and it isnt even guaranteed that Vul is bled

Not only do we give scum the chaos they want from discussing mechanics, but its also slightly pre-flippy territory anytime we make a read based around a bleed

I just think its dumb
Vul can make reads regarding his bleed since he has TMI that its real (if it is), but I don’t think theres much reason for any of us to
Just clogs shit

@Leafia

Not sure why you’re voting me here. I’d like to hear your thought process. If it’s because my first post was a read and a vote, then why are you doing the same thing?

@Leafia

I’d also like to hear your reasoning for voting Chloe please.

@Leafia

That actually makes a lot of sense. Let’s see where a Chloe wagon takes us. /vote Chloe

Ngl i voted you just to see how you would react
I didn’t really care about your first post, I just find it easier to gauge your alignment after a little oomph

Also this reaction is weird as fuck, but its getting into meta-read territory, which I don’t want to do a lot
Something feels off - your sheep vote rather than straight-up OMGUS is… not what I’d expect from you
I’m keeping an eye on you

@Vulgard

the longer version is that her first post is a bunch of questions and questioning people posting early reads as if it’s always a wolfy thing to do

Excuse you

@Chloe

tencharacters

this was my first post ):<

@clonedcheese

wolves wouldn’t buddy buddy like this 10 mins into game

W/W (or the opposite) reads early on are stupid. I don’t think this is AI of you, I just think its stupid.

@Leafia

What the heck are you trying to do? Get serious and stop with these theatrics if you’re town.

@Leafia

What you’re doing now is ww. I can only think that it has to be an RT, because no wolf in their right mind would be acting the way that you’re acting right now. Sadly, I think this kind of behavior of yours likely comes from a v doing an RT.

These posts look weird as fuck and I almost want to call them TMI, but its hella early for that
I think its odd that she immediately goes the “villager doing an RT” route
Same feeling as when she asked for Vul’s reason for voting me, rather than voting me herself

A lot of this is meta
I’m gunna try to shut up on the meta now

@Leafia

Seriously? Everyone, get your votes off me now! If I was a wolf, don’t you think I would’ve OMGUSED at least once by now!?! I’ll be expecting an apology from every villager pushing me right now post game. We’re literally less than an hour into the game! You can’t form accurate reads this fast! Now stop it!

Oh fuck self-meta already
Did i already find a wolf

this chloe does not find villagers
this chloe’s thoughts also seem to focus on wolfy actions rather than wolfy players if that makes sense

@Chloe

@Centuries

godspeed d1 reads

I don’t like this post lmao
Creating a naked readslist because you were given very slight pressure to

Readslists are fluff unless they have reasonings behind every placement
So give your reasonings, or I’m considering this a waste of a post

@EliThePsycho

it’s basically OMGUS from what i’ve seen so far

Which parts ping you as OMGUS?
It seems like you hopped on the Leafia train just because other people were focusing on her

@Frostwolf103

Totally not pocketing you or anything

Jokey self-awareness. Dislike the feeling I get from this.

she’s selectively pointing out wolfy stuff about player after player all the time

@Chloe

Soulshade feels genuine. They’re actively explaining why what Leafia is doing is scummy rather than just sheepin’. I like.

What i don’t like is all the one-liners.

and when there is a townread it’s either not very developed or expressed with doubt

Scumread - Not making townreads the way they do as town. (also me = )

Intensify

whoop already did this one:

@ash4fun

@Intensify

Hmm a bleed right now I quite odd.

language here feels kinda hedgy

@Intensify

Right anyways
Back on topic.

I wanna discuss this bleed of Vully’s…
I don’t believe it at all

@Intensify

Excatly, who the hell bleeds someone 10 minutes in so wastefully anyways? Bleeds are very important here and I really don’t believe scum are dumb enough to waste a bleed 10 minutes in.

@Intensify

Hmm
I still find the bleed quite odd tbh

@Intensify

Hmm
Yeh I don’t trust Vully at all.

@Intensify

This bleed is so odd, and Vully is voting me because I don’t trust it I think, seems suspicious to me.

I wasn’t even reading Vul as wolf, I just thought the bleed was fake.

/vote Vully

This progression just sucks, it looks like they found something that was plausibly pushable, and just decided to call it scum.
like, even that last post alone they’re like, “I’m not actually reading this wolf, I just want to vote it”

@Intensify

The bleed is completely NAI yes, but the way Vully reacted to me not believing the bleed claim is odd

This feels like a pivot. started with bad reason, found better reason, ditched old reason.

@Intensify

I believe Leafia is town, people are scumleaning them too easily for making posts that I think townleafia would make

This post is better, idk if W!intensify TR’s LHF like this.

@Intensify

Ok on second thought, I was finding Leafia to be not so susp, but then now… uhhh they’re kinda making themselves seem susp

@Intensify

@Leafia

I don’t know if you’re trying to pocket me or what but thanks either way.

Leafia question for you, why did you think me, out of the people would attempt to pocket you?

…they take it back, I take back what I said above

@Intensify

Ok so using DGADT, though not the latest town game I have been in, mind if you explain the differences here? Do you feel like I’m asking too many questions? Also “offering commentary.” No, that’s just me expressing my opinions on the current subjects, I don’t need to make reads ASAP every game.

So that was a gut-meta read, like “this feels different”. idk if I can put that any clearer. As for commentary vs. reads, ig that’s words for “reads seem to lack thought process and conviction”

@Intensify

@EliThePsycho

@Intensify

Ok on second thought, I was finding Leafia to be not so susp, but then now… uhhh they’re kinda making themselves seem susp

i just think it’s strange they don’t believe the bleed.

Alright I’ll explain all my reasoning to you, I will assume you missed them

The bleed came in like 10 minutes when this SFOL started. There’s a lot of questionable things about that. Bleeds are useful, and have major impact I believe, so why waste it 10 minutes in? Also another thing, bleeding early is not smart as you don’t know what could happen later on, you lose your ability to bleed when a situation that demands a bleed arrives later and you can confirm healers, which is something you don’t want to do. The way that Vully reacts to me not believing also was strange as well

I mean, they’re defending their position, which is better than going back on it imo.

@Intensify

ALRIGHT ALRIGHT.

Fun fun, GG scum.

Due to some things . I would like to annouce that I was bled. However, I was not bled right now, I was bled before all of this, like around the time I said I was gonna leave.

@Intensify

So yep, I’m bleeding right now, and you know what? I’m fine with dying.

@Intensify

Important note about this bleed, I was bled around the time that I said I was gonna leave, so I couldn’t really react to it properly. But when I came back, I saw it and decided to keep it quiet for reasons I won’t explain right now, but you’ll find it in my logs. Anyways, I don’t care if I’m healed or not, your choice healers.

I’m kinda wierded out by them “being fine with dying”, but I guess this is self-resolving now? unless they’re a likely heal?

@Intensify

If you read my response carefully
I also wanna add that bleeds confrim people and that bleeding 10 minutes in instead of half way into the day is much b etter. Bleeding someone so early when you don’t know what could happen is like… wut l ol. Also, I don’t know what the counterarguments to the bleed are e ither. So I’m gonna say that the bleed is fake unless I get really good arguments for why the bleed was caused, not gonna believe it and I guess we see if in 2 days if they’re d ead.

Look at the end of each sentence’s word carefully, and look at what the bolded letters make up

@Intensify

Seth… when I die in two days, my logs will explain everything about why I decided to keep quiet, for now however, just let me do my things.

So they softed their bleed. Doesn’t mean anything about the ligitimacy of the bleed, but idk if wolf thinks to do this?

@Intensify

Anyways, if Vully survives night 3 and I die night 3, something is wrong here that’s all.

@Intensify

Anyways, Imma start reading into the thread and making some opinions since I’m dead in 2 nights.

Their thoughts seem consistent here. If they keep up the WiM, this would be likely town. P sure wolf just lolcats here.

There’s some other posts, and they all look moderately good.

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So yeah, first 1/3 of the ISO looks terrible, but everything after that seems pretty good. At any rate they’ve claimed self-resolving so probably don’t yeet today?

Anyways I need to read more but it’s getting late so that’ll probably happen tomorrow.

And because I have now lost my only scumread:
/unvote

Since then,

@Intensify

@Centuries

Maybe the playstyle shift is too big for this to be in his scumrange

“Playstyle shift.” I want you to elaborate on that please.

@Intensify

but but I’m town this game and I was scum in that game…

@Intensify

I-- wh-- huh?

So you I think I might scum because I’m not acting like how I did as scum in another game???

@Intensify

Ok sure, I’m in a PoE, which is like whatever. But your reasonings… make no sense at all… unless you’re for some reason assuming I have the same playstyle as wolf and town and that this “different” playstyle I have right now is scummy???

@Intensify

Ok let’s just drop this… since clearly you’re doing some galaxy brain move on me or something.

This feels like a super townie reaction. I don’t think scum does “you do you” this easily.

Townlean - stuff from previous iso, plus a good reaction.

PsychoKang

@EliThePsycho

@ash4fun

idk leafia feels like normal leafia town here. Not that I know what normal leafia scum looks like.

nice

@EliThePsycho

nice.

@EliThePsycho

nice catch

Not super relevant but they seem to think I’m nice?

anyways not much solving yet except to paste a oh-so-light scumlean on leafia and intensify.

halfway through iso and they haven’t done much except call some stuff nai.

@EliThePsycho

changed my mind about intensify being a scumlean
he’s now a townlean, purely because his belief that vul’s bleed is fake feels geniune
uhhh
wazza is the slightest scumlean ever
purely because of his townreads cuz of bleeds
tbe is townlean because uh
i’d have to go back and quote posts, and i dont want to rn
if you want explanations ask
and im obviously the locktown here

This post feels better, they were forced to make reads and they did. I like that they didn’t feel like they had to justify it; I think wolf usually explains it more.

The rest of their iso looks like them being asked for reads, and making low-information reads. I hope they read more in the future but fine for now.

Nulltown - Not super driven to solve but when forced it feels like their reads are genuine.

Surge

Surge is seth
seth plays like seth
'nuff said

Null - I don’t even want to bother, I have no idea how to read him, seems in both town and scumrange. Will probably look for agenda later after some flips.

TheBlueElixir

Lotta interaction, look like they’re making reads silently, pretty null so far

@TheBlueElixir

i…actually understand

if I get this right, FYPoV

a.Chloe gets voted by vul then you
b.Chloe decides to push you instead of vul because ???
c.When asked to back up read, instead says its an RT

thats…not a terrible train of thought

kinda like it

though I am less prone to agree with your read on chloe, i like it

I love this post though, super villagery

@TheBlueElixir

around p97 three posts, two dont talk about reads so I assume you meant:

@Vulgard

thin reason to clear intensify
being contrarian about mechanics isn’t difficult
he’s also not reading me, he’s reading into me being bled which doesn’t count as a read on me

vote stays

/shrug

ok

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Intensify’s mindset makes more sense being bled

currently leafia/intensify probably both V tbh

like this one too, now they’re in solving mode™

…aand a bunch more posts that I can see the thoughts/reasoning behind

Townread - lotsa juicy solving, I can read their process pretty easily.

ATNoName

@ATNoName

That bleed could be from anyone

This post does nothing, except shut down reading. not a good start.

@ATNoName

I’m back to comment on the leading discussion.

While it looks like Leafia is following her pregame wolf behaviour. I don’t see anyone defending her.

not sure what this does either. This feels more like a defense than a read, and they didn’t read her before. Could be TMI or buddy.

@ATNoName

First up: Zone

I’m gonna skip all posts related to PKR unless there is some reason

ISO

@Zone_Q11

I am curious. Soul scumread Leafia, but you don’t like the fact that they didn’t vote her.
Meanwhile, (I am assuming that) you are starting to not like Leafia’s reactions either.
Given these (possibly unrelated) facts, what kind of relation do you think that Soul/Leafia has between V/V, V/W, W/V, and W/W?

just because you scumread someone doesn’t mean that you vote them although its D1 where all exe are purely social so he does make some sense.

@Zone_Q11

The question of whether you are actually bled or not is another matter though.
I am a straight-to-the-point guy, so soft messages are less credible to me.

While its true Intensify hid the bleed until later (assuming he is reliable), we could have the other scum faction who could have bled Intensify, but I suspect it could be a HoB/BD interaction.

@Zone_Q11

Townreads
Zone_Q11
TheBlueElixir
Surge
Alice
Soulshade
Chloe
PsychoKang
Vulgard
Italy

Nullreads
SirDerpsalot
Intensify
ash4fun
Centuries
Frostwolf103

Scumreads
Leafia
Wazza

Later he post an explanation: where Wazza’s readlist contradict his reads.

Now the rest just look him convincing that Leafia is scum and to people targetting him

In conclusion: hes a townlean for me. The only problem I have is his defense where he look like he just wants to be obvious town, but I won’t use that to scumread him.

hate this.
a) just says he disagrees with reads, not actually reading the iso.
b) tacks a townlean on after showing nothing to get there.

@ATNoName

Last post of the day: Mole’s ISO

First things first, when I first looked at my random ISO to do list, I was like did Mole ever post?

Anyhow there is the ISO

Summary

wtf everything about his ISO feels like he is just an information center (maybe that is what got me thinking that Mole never posted. The only thing I can dig rn is his opinion on Leafia (I don’t know which side is he on? town leafia or wolf leafia) and him voting PK based off of meta.

I’m feeling Scumlean/Null until he post again

This one’s okay, could be fake or not idk

@ATNoName

Anyhow back to ISOing: TBE ISO (was gonna be N.1 but I can’t form opinion around lowposters)

ISO

It took him 40-50 posts for him to make a read although this was done at SoD where he wanted people to post so I respect that.

Afterwards, TBE just did some opinion response before we move to this

@TheBlueElixir

I disagree.

Im going to again reference my own play in JoAT9. I had reads(that were rather accurate), but due to me making them early in a way I dont usually do(perspective on few posts) I had a hard time explaining them.

(the next part doesnt really need the analogy but works with it)
When you have a hard time explaining your reads and they get called bad by thread(namely the Leafia read here) you dont believe in them as much; its like advertising. You keep being telling its wrong by the many, you believe in it weaker

I have 0 clue if im making sense but I disagree that ash lacking confidence makes them a wolf

During this time, Ash hasn’t made any progression until now so I have no opinion on this.

@TheBlueElixir

/vote Cent

he’s trying to push an execute on you, just a wolf

vote him

This shows that he is still following his reads which is a good thing for a villager.

@TheBlueElixir

@ATNoName

That bleed could be from anyone

@ATNoName

I’m back to comment on the leading discussion.

While it looks like Leafia is following her pregame wolf behaviour. I don’t see anyone defending her.

these are the only two posts I thought could be AI for a LW

the first isnt really adding much, more looking like they are(I think its IIoA) and the second seems like ‘the person people think is a wolf might not be a wolf’ also hedge

but also reading king is hard and he has like no posts so Im not putting too much stock into this

How did I miss this? Anyways, I like to not go into great details for anything I say so I have 0 opinion.

and now we get to readlist

@TheBlueElixir

actually

its probably best if I tried this too

top three villagers

Intensify
L1ght
Ash

on second look, I realize I dont have as many solid TRs as I thought I did.
huh.

top three wolves(from wolviest to not wolvy)
AT(is king though so doesnt count)
…gorta?
cheese, maybe?
Alice

and those dont get much better then nullscum; I do not have the grasp on the game I thought I did
I think Cent has improved btw.

Why does this feel like this was made by a wolf? Upon further inspection, the only thing I don’t like is why Alice?

In conclusion: Null and barely on the town side

Okay, super reluctant to make non-nulls.

Also I’m really not seeing that the reasons line up well with the verdicts.

@ATNoName

Right now I don’t like Soul’s jumpy nature so I’m gonna leave my vote here. Its bound to change very quickly

/vote Soul

this exists

@PokemonKidRyan

Look, I think of Hunter because that is what it is usually called.
It is Poacher for Town this game.
Big whoop.

@ATNoName

Love how we don’t consider the HoB equivalent.

Like, this doesn’t make any sense in context. This feels to me like a BD perspective slip

@ATNoName

So Insanity? Gimme me reads on someone not Alice or PKR or Seth

@ATNoName

/unvote

/vote Insanity

This wagon needs more pressure and I haven’t seen him respond to my reads question at all eventhough he post a few minutes ago

This is a terrible way to vote top wagon imo. (tho I don’t know what the vc was then). Either way, they’re still there, and haven’t actually indicated that they’ve read the slot at all, much less read them scum.

@ATNoName

6th random ISO: Chloe

ISO

Most of it is responses that is either NAI or IIoA and RT to people, so I’m a put a few important post.

@Chloe

@PokemonKidRyan

Well, one question I have would be…

Who is your top townread and scumread (after catching up) and why?

Another would be
Has anyone dropped or went up on your reads?

I’d prefer if you read through my posts to figure out if anyone has dropped or went up in my reads lmao
But sure I can answer

I dont have any mega strong townreads atm? Top I’d probably say is TBE
im gunna get asked why so
TBE feels incredibly genuine, and has unique takes - like his read on conroy, for example
Feels truly solvey and gives me good vibes
Overall I haven’t seen anything from him that pings me as wolfy

Don’t really have a top scumread rn and I don’t wanna make anything up and pretend like I do

Leafia moved up because her recent posts explain her thought-process more, and she is forming her own opinions on players rather than being a sheepy sheep - and her take on me doesn’t feel faked

PK moved down a bit because of how he hopped into the Leafia wagon with no solid reasoning, just “your reaction was bad” - and hes weirdly aware of where his vote should be

I liked the explanation Chloe gives to why TBE is her top townread and her reads after the RT from Leafia and PK.

@Chloe

@Aelin

someone as experienced as Alice should know how to make themselves obviously town as town, right?

lmfao
alice is alice

Shes simultaneously the most wolfy player in the thread, as well as the person with the towniest mindset
As any alignment

but a lot of that is probably a result of people being afraid of her
so they just bonk her with a paranoia nullread

i want her to come back into the thread so i can interact with her in real-time
im trying to make a conscious effort to not let paranoia and/or metareads clog my judgement
so far i havent hated anything

@Chloe

Bonk

I don’t have a top 3 or bottom 3 unless its GTH

@Chloe

TBE
Surge
Frost/Light/Italy?

Wazz
ATNoName/N.1
PK

Guess those are my top TRs and SRs GTH

sorry, i had to pee

You know since you argue about my 1st ISO not matching my conclusion. I could say the same with you turning a 180 on posting your top 3 SR and TR, but whatever. From the readlist, it makes sense since it came from everything she did during her first posts.

@Chloe

While I don’t fully agree with this take, since its multiball and scum don’t necessarily have TMI on who is a villager, so possible whiteknighting shouldnt be a mega stronk reasoning for reads
I do agree that Insanity has had flimsy reasonings and a narrow mindset

I just re-read his ISO and yeah I’m fine with this

some share the same opinion (Insanity being voted).

Conclusion: Townlean, there’s really nothing wrong with Chloe despite not seeing highpost during FOL29

Like, they vote insanity “for pressure” ie to get reactions/reads, and then do this…

Their vote is still there and it’s top wagon, and they still haven’t said anything about insanity’s alignment.

Scumread - A ton of fakesolving, but absolutely no formation of reads anywhere.

PokemonKidRyan

@PokemonKidRyan

I just caught up.
I was expecting the Zone stuff to happen and all is good.
I like how Cent decided to make such quick reads even if I think it was a little meh in countenance.

It was a weak scumread reason on me.

I like this a bit.

@PokemonKidRyan

@Zone_Q11

As for PKR… I do not plan to push him. I already quite clearly stated that I will waste this game until PKR dies, but I am most certainly trying my best to not be a deadweight like I was in ToS2399 to compensate my flaws.

Not to mention, if I were to actually push my vote on PKR… then I would simply lose, as he has not talked enough at all. I believe it would be best to simply ignore my vote, and not use DR Misc as an example in the future.

I do look forward to seeing how your take on me develops this game as I believe you will not follow spite.

My one big paranoid thing is if you have a role that can destroy me whenever you want to as I would not put that past you

eh this one feels wayyy too energetic idk

little more and they’re making reads and asking about others’ reads. Okay here

Claiming RT is kinda funny ngl. I think it’s a good RT.

@PokemonKidRyan

Also based off Seth’s reactions we can be fairly sure he is actually scum.

I’d have to reread this to see if this is justified, but I like the analysis attached here. Could be agenda but doesn’t really feel like it.

…and then 50 posts of explaining the f*** out of it because lolseth.

@PokemonKidRyan

I actually have to hope Insanity will flip town because otherwise I am fairly certain I am going to be wagoned tomorrow.

All I can ask is any, literally any investigates to check me out if you think I am in danger of being wagoned.
I do not care if you track me, princess (Equivalent) me, sheriff or paladin (Equivalent) me or whatnot.

Just do not let me die to this… guy.

Wait why do people think PKR has to be W/W with insanity??? I haven’t seen anythinkg to support that…

Townlean - lotta stuff here is individually townie, looking pretty good to me so far.

Wazza

I’ll start by saying I don’t know how to read this, but here goes.

They’re making reads, and they can back them up. idk what but something feels a little off tho

@Wazza

@Whysper

I like the way Wazza reasons.

I feel appreciated but I have no clue what to do with this power.

Vote who you want, I already stated I don’t realy want to influence the gamethread, but currently I’m fine with a few lynches.

This is either really towny, or really performative, not sure which.

@Wazza

@Whathaveidone2

Voted	Voters	Votes
TheBlueElixir	Moleland	1/14
Vulgard	Intensify	1/14
Leafia	Chloe, Soulshade55r, Italy, PsychoKang	4/14
Chloe	Vulgard, Leafia, Surge, Alice, SirDerpsalot	5/14
PokemonKidRyan	Zone_Q11	1/14
ATNoName	clonedcheese	1/14
SirDerpsALot	Frostwolf103	1/14
Intensify	ash4fun	1/14
Whysper	Centuries	1/14
Centuries	TheBlueElixir	1/14

We need to sort out these wagons, the sheer amount of them is purely unreasonable.

@Moleland - Do you have a good enough reason to be pushing on TBE and causing a wagon of a single player, yourself? If so, please state the reason because I haven’t been able to notice a good enough one.
@Intensify - Your read is dignified and noted and I can perfectly understand where you’re coming from with it tbh, but I townread Vulgard so I’m adding you into this anyway. Is there a good enough reason to be voting this early on, specifically on a wagon that more than likely, won’t get lynched?
@Zone_Q11 - Do you have to spitevote someone and cause yet another pointless wagon that won’t gain relevance unless you push on it without spiting it. You spitereading a player and voting them is literally the reason that caused PKR to get away with the murder in DR which additionally caused me to die because I let my guard down because of you.
@clonedcheese - Why are you voting the King this early on in a gamemode where insta-lynching the King isn’t really a strategy?
@Frostwolf103 - Is there a reason you’re voting SDA, granted I didn’t even see your vote so I must of skimmed over it so I’ve not seen any reasoning.
@ash4fun - Same reason as Frost, mixed with a bit of Intensify’s tbh.
@Centuries
@TheBlueElixir

Final 2 players were pinged purely for them to question their own wagons as I got nothing for them.

@Frostwolf103

Since I am not familiar with the term, what does it mean?

Pointless wagons with 1 person on them that more than likely won’t achieve impact on the game but instead annoyance towards players.

I’m pretty sure this post come from town; idk if wolf is quite that brazen about telling people what to do.

@Wazza

@Zone_Q11

As for PKR… I do not plan to push him. I already quite clearly stated that I will waste this game until PKR dies, but I am most certainly trying my best to not be a deadweight like I was in ToS2399 to compensate my flaws.

Then unvote him. These Vanity Wagons are just confusing me and making me not be able to pinpoint where to actually stick.

Also pretty sure wolf doesn’t tell people to move votes so they can read easier

Nulltown - A lot of stuff that could go either way, couple of things point a bit more to town.

Soulshade55r

super memey in the beginning, nai or slightly scum.

@Soulshade55r

Anyway vulguard is Null because they just did the early town reads in a scum game but they seem to do it normally anyway

The bleed claim is just whatever at this point

first read null read… ehhhhhhHHHHHhhhhh

@Soulshade55r

Honestly I do think Leafia could just be LHF but I’m not going to use that as a excuse to just leave them alone all game

this could easily be agenda

Zone_Q11

Insanity

Moleland

Frostwolf103

Alice

Leafia

Whysper

Centuries

SirDerpsalot

Magnus

ash4fun

Clonedcheese

Italy

N.1

[Amelia]

What this implies is that you split and centuries was the result

Also you saw nothing

[ash4fun]

oop did not mean to release that yet XD

[EliThePsycho]

that is
a lot of work you’re doing

[sulit]

ahem

Why are reads on chleb being based on joat 2 when they were playing on an alt that game?

[TheBlueElixir]

@ash4fun

Not super relevant but they seem to think I’m nice?

pocket 100

anyway, I like ash

did I mention this yet

yaeh I did and I agree with alot of them/see them as reasonable takes

[sulit]

ayaya

I’m excited and I don’t know why

aaaa

[Soulshade55r]

wondering why half the town was blanks

[TheBlueElixir]

@ash4fun

ash4fun

cant wait for you to read this one

@Soulshade55r

wondering why half the town was blanks

its not finished

[sulit]

ash’s post is good but

I’m not gonna lock town them on it

it is

fakeable

But I wouldn’t lynch ash today

[Soulshade55r]

posting reads means they are willing to contribute which I like early game

[sulit]

[TheBlueElixir]

they had some very villagery posts earlier so they are tight TR for meh

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if I said ‘butter’ would you sheep me

[Soulshade55r]

I like this because butter goes on my bread meaning you are willing to contribute a good lunch

hard reading you town now and I’m not just buttering you up :3

[sulit]

ive just realized how many people are in this game

aaaaaaa