[VFM] Elf Gold Rush - Game Over. Humans Win!

[January]

Even if we lose. I can say I tried my hardest. Everyone else can say the game was unwinnable, even though it could’ve been won.

[City]

I am just gonna yolo clear both wind and jan tbh

that leaves zone/vul/min/clone

[Zone_Q11]

@January

Well, who are you going to vote?

Well, Windward convinced me to not vote her through what I perceived as appeal to emotion. (This may not be the objective truth.)

I am lacking suspects, because my current ones are just Vul and min.

[January]

That is the worst idea you could ever have.

[January]

You believe that Cloned is good then?

[January]

That is basically a gut read: But worse. Its not even grounded off of your head, just luck

[Zone_Q11]

…y’know what? Fuck it.
I got myself my third scum.

Vul/min/City

[January]

Zone, If you vote here. It will be throwing.

[WindwardAway]

@WindwardAway

@clonedcheese

[VFM] Elf Gold Rush - Night 2 (12/15) - #272 by WindwardAway

Opener - by coming in with “welp Warrior Cats”, sets up an easy point of suspicion without having to do much
If anyone has seen me in Warrior Cats I didn’t act that different from any one of my games lol
In addition, light TMI on leafia by calling her town because im scummy

not true, you treated my slot differently from how you usually do
I didn’t want to out that right away but I’ve already mentioned it in the thread by now so I’m reiterating

also how did i call leafia towny just because you’re scummy? i also called leafia towny because i thought silviu was scummy, and i literally pushed that on the basis of TMI, but if you’re reading any of my posts as TMI you should be reading the silviu push, not this.

@clonedcheese

[VFM] Elf Gold Rush - Night 2 (12/15) - #327 by WindwardAway

finding an excuse to continue that scumread on me - it’s not really consequential that im acting bold in the beginning of the game, so it’s really weird for them to continuously push on this for so long
even after they supposedly understand where im coming from, they still throw shade at my supposed wolfiness

your excuses for continuing to push your weird PoE that you yourself thought was wrong, was even worse.

@clonedcheese

[VFM] Elf Gold Rush - Night 2 (12/15) - #1594 by WindwardAway

[VFM] Elf Gold Rush - Night 2 (12/15) - #1595 by WindwardAway

She maintains an extremely iffy attitude on leafia, yet somehow has a strong conviction about seeing TMI; she never bothers to show anyone the posts she thought were TMI-y.

Similar strategy here to her opener; both leafia and i have been scum in recent games with apparently visible differences, all wind’s doing here is saying that we have those traits when in actuality we don’t

i did give the posts I thought were TMI, did you guys all have me muted or something? I posted them about 5 times in the thread between D1 and D2 so I don’t know how you would’ve missed them unless you literally did not read anything I posted. Are you cherrypicking?

@clonedcheese

[VFM] Elf Gold Rush - Night 2 (12/15) - #2145 by WindwardAway

Casually drops in a silviu read in the middle of talking about marl/vulgard and leafia with no explanation - seeing a pattern?

and is this wolf AI for me? have you ever seen me do that as a wolf? I’m a lot more thorough with explanations when I’m a wolf specifically because I’m afraid of looking wolfy. I know I do it, it’s a problem, and I do it anyway.

@clonedcheese

Now here we see a ML setup chain, off of one post:

you shouldn’t fucking be talking because all you’ve done is advocated for a PoE of 3 at the beginning of the day, 2 of whom flipped town already, and then you’ve been pushing for chain yeets on whomever was the head of the misyeet. Blaming people for misyeets isn’t scummy, but making posts like this to call me wolfy and then immediately dropping the push in favor of going for bigger fish (Vulgard/Marl) is extremely wolfy.

@clonedcheese

Town!Silviu makes the comment that “maybe leafia pushed on marl/vulgard cuz she was just annoyed” - the wording itself, stating that leafia “found them scummy,” comes from someone who’s doubtful that leafia’s scum, especially combined with starting the post with “I think”

But Wind somehow morphs this into a town!leafia TMI from silviu (aided by leafia who knows their alignment), which w!windward would know of already; thus, by stretching the logic here she basically sets up an ML along the lines of “leafia’s gonna flip soon, I can chain silviu onto this”

there was no “maybe” in his statement
that’s why I read it as TMI
he straight-out made an excuse for Leafia with the mindset she was a villager, without townreading her, because I asked if he townread her and he said she was null and then immediately pushed on me for questioning this

WHY DO YOU NEVER READ ANY OF MY FUCKING POSTS IN ANY GAME WE’RE IN TOGETHER
YOU NEVER READ THEM CORRECTLY
and it’s BEYOND ANNOYING, regardless of your alignment, seriously
take a look in the fucking mirror and tell me who’s shading whom. if you’re so dead certain i’m a wolf then go ahead and fucking vote me instead of pushing Vulgard and Marl. We resolve my slot, you get to look extremely wolfy, and you get yeeted next.
but of course you never do that because you constantly change your vote so it isn’t on the person you’re scumreading the most. you vote someone else to stay off the main wagons, and then you can claim to have absolutely no part in anything that’s gone wrong.

it’s wolfy, bruh. and if you’re actually town here, you seriously need to rethink your play because it sucks in every game.

@clonedcheese

Sorry Whysper

Should’ve just taken you for the pure soul you are ._.

TL;DR: wind plops down scumreads on people and doesn’t explain them: on me, leafia, and silviu, successfully executing 2 of them

/vote Wind

you literally said Whysper was likely scum because she said she was relieved not to have to wolf with you again
I said I would take 100% of the blame for her yeet, and I do, but you can’t just act like you never suspected her at all.

and i didn’t vote leafia, i tunnelled silviu/whysper for two days and I GAVE MY FUCKING EXPLANATIONS
what the hell is so hard for you to understand

it’s like you read my posts, you cherrypick, and then you act like you didn’t read anything
why the fuck do you play like this

@WindwardAway

@clonedcheese read my fucking post above and answer it
i am 100% prepared to dome you today
it resolves one or both of our slots that are both in the poe and i’m convinced i win this

@Vulgard

@WindwardAway

why the fuck do you play like this

This entire post is so blatantly V, I am never voting this. If the game goes to f3 with us both still alive, I am snapvoting the other player.

@clonedcheese

@WindwardAway

but it actually looks scummy now because whysper flipped town and cloned didn’t even vote whysper, out of paranoia that whysper flipped town if i’m wolf

so he just launched straight into a “why i think wind is wolf” post today and immediately voted me for being wrong on whysper
when he did exactly that at SoD2 and immediately voted marl after leafia flipped town
he’s just chain yeeting villagers imo and trying to deflect the blame because he doesn’t vote on the main wagons

1. both marl read and windward read are th overnight posts

I would of course move on from them as pekple comr into the thread

2. Have i succeeded either of those times

Clearly not, since marl’s alive and im the only one on your wagon iirc

Absurd to call what im doing chain yeeting, especially when 1) i did little to contribute to the death of said acrual villager compared to other slots cough windward cough and 2) im failing so-called chainexe attempt

@WindwardAway

in all other games he tunnelled me the entirety of the time he was alive and also voted me

you’re spared this game since vul exists

@WindwardAway

also i don’t like that cloned is keeping his PoE wide open by saying he has paranoia on pretty much everyone, especially Squirrel, after he complained in Warrior Cats when he thought I was widening the PoE (and specifically because I tried to throw him into it).

This is not the damning evidence you think it is
Read it again
Who’s the scum and who’s the town here

@clonedcheese

@WindwardAway

Blaming people for misyeets isn’t scummy, but making posts like this to call me wolfy and then immediately dropping the push in favor of going for bigger fish (Vulgard/Marl) is extremely wolfy.

1. dodging the point
2. whataboutism - saying “well you did it too”

Yeah this is scummy

@WindwardAway

you literally said Whysper was likely scum because she said she was relieved not to have to wolf with you again

Thats why i said sorry in that post
Shouldve interpreted it as a happy “yay” instead of something sinister
But that one suspiciom holds nothing to what you’re getting away with

@WindwardAway

you vote someone else to stay off the main wagons, and then you can claim to have absolutely no part in anything that’s gone wrong.

I vote my highest scumreads and i have doubts about the main wagons

Simple as that

@clonedcheese

@Vulgard

w!Marl world has to be exactly Marl/City/January.

There may be wolves offwagon

I.e. min

Tl;dr: wind still scum

/vote wind if im not already

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@clonedcheese

@WindwardAway

you vote someone else to stay off the main wagons, and then you can claim to have absolutely no part in anything that’s gone wrong.
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I vote my highest scumreads and i have doubts about the main wagons

Simple as that

Uh no you don’t, you voice your highest scumreads and then vote elsewhere

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@WindwardAway

I can’t believe I’m still awake but

I get the feeling you’re both villagers, it’s a very light read but it exists
Not sure about Eli but I think it might be worth looking outside of you two to find the wolves in this game

Good night lol
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And I agree once again! I’m at 594 and there still hasn’t been a WWA post that made me question her being V

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@WindwardAway

How can you think you’re right and also think you’re wrong

It just makes no sense and greatly confuses me
[/quote]

True, it doesn’t make sense, and is also wolfy because it’s just veiled agenda at this point.

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@WindwardAway

Problem is just that clonedcheese’s confidence level and saying that he hopes he’s right and thinks he’s right do not equate whatsoever with saying that he’s probably wrong because he’s always wrong

There’s like a super weird mismatch there and I find it kind of wolfy in addition to it being a really dumb-looking world because the scumteam would absolutely implode if that were the case
[/quote]

The more I’m reading about WWA’s evaluation of cloned, the more I think she does actually believe it. The thought process tracks, and I pretty much agree with the whole thing.

@Vulgard

@WindwardAway

why the fuck do you play like this
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This entire post is so blatantly V, I am never voting this. If the game goes to f3 with us both still alive, I am snapvoting the other player.

Some examples

this is my response to cloned
cloned’s response to me
vulgard’s response to me about cloned
and my examples of why i thought vul was pocketing me there

[Zone_Q11]

Given what he did all this time to overthrow Windward, whom I thought was scum…

…

…actually, now that I am starting to townread Windward, that kinda looks bad–
Bah. The ultimatum is that cloned/Windward are not aligned together. So if I don’t vote Windward, I should be voting cloned…

[WindwardAway]

there was somewhere else where vulgard explained that some of my posts were way out of the scumrange he thought i had, but since i skimmed through a couple hundred posts and don’t really feel like doing it again, i’ll just ping him to give his explanation, not that it’s really what you’re looking for.

@Vulgard january wants to know why i’m town.

[City]

no

[January]

Wind, if it ain’t you, Its Vulgard, Zone, and Cloned.

[WindwardAway]

@City

I am just gonna yolo clear both wind and jan tbh

that leaves zone/vul/min/clone

wtf is a yolo clear though

[City]

Wind is main person leading the game if they’re wolf then why we even playin

[January]

So why would Vulgard answer that?

[Zone_Q11]

@January

Zone, If you vote here. It will be throwing.

Eh. I’ve done worse throws before.
Though, this talk about Windward/cloned did cool down my head. That, and the fact that we are not talking about meta anymore.

[WindwardAway]

why am I even playing tbh

[City]

@WindwardAway

wtf is a yolo clear though

It means that we have so low chance to win that I am just gonna trust rng on this

[WindwardAway]

because if he’s a wolf he’s been white-knighting me the entire game
if he’s town then honestly, i don’t know how to solve the game anymore and i should probably just admit defeat
i’m still thinking if he’s town, who the scumteam could be, but i can’t really fit anything in correctly