[VFM] JoaT^2 - (6/15) - 😹 Pirates (Town) Win!

[Elephas]

Ah! Hello Vulgard and Flameo.
Here right as I am about to hit the hay. I suppose I can stay here a short while longer, as I wanted to interact with you two.

@Vulgard

And by the way, fake solving as mafia is fun too, but I’m still bad at it, so it’s more difficult.

Forgive me if I’m missing something, but is there a point to this post? It is rather confusing. I can’t tell if this is self-meta, or a joke. I don’t have a good understanding of who here uses sarcasm.

@Flameo

ou had to throw in two conditionals here…, yet still found it valid enough for a vote? Why not take more of my overall posts into account?

I see we found the same contradiction. Curious if you read my post first, or saw this on your own?
I quite like the “vibe” I get from this entire post.
They have analyzed Vulgard’s posts deeper than I did, and this feels well-formed; rather solid points.

@Vulgard

How much do you care about me answering any of them?

If it helps motivate you, I would also appreciate answers to the questions Flameo asked - at least the non-hypotheticals. It may help me understand your thought-process in more detail.

[Vulgard]

@katze

i don’t fully understand or follow his thought process here

it doesn’t feel natural?

I don’t follow it either. This is why I’m bad at explaining reads.

@Centuries

This is okay but I feel that Mole jumps at bad play rather than scum play here

My main problem with Mole right now is exactly this. Good grief, I’m just going to use other people’s explanations as mine this game.

[Elephas]

Vulgard,
I don’t want to distract you as you catch up on the thread. I saw you mention that you were behind by three hundred posts.
Please do take your time.

[Vulgard]

My post with the vote on Flameo is less complicated than you guys make it sound. I think it’s a wolfy vote, and I have an associative read if I’m right, but if I’m wrong, then the associative doesn’t exist. I prefer to make that clear so wolves don’t use that to misyeet two people in a row somehow.

[Elephas]

I quite like this answer. Perhaps I was misunderstanding the wording you used alongside your vote.
You seem to believe this, and it does not sound like forced reasoning.

Thank you.

[Vulgard]

In general, I feel like a lot of players this game are overcomplicating everything and maybe that’s what makes me a bit annoyed.

@sulit

/vote Wazza

@Wisp

Why? I don’t even recall a wazza post?

@sulit

exactly

@Wisp

Lmao…

Towny exchange in my opinion, on both sides.

Possibly W/W too but I find both of them independently villagery. Sulit seems free-flowing and she’s far more level-headed as a wolf. Wisp’s borderline shitposting is a decent look because I think it shows a high level of comfort in the thread.

To be fair, I’ve never seen Wisp as a wolf, so this read might be meaningless meta-wise, but I think his posts are villagery independently from meta.

@sulit

Waz doesn’t like playin scum

He has more energy as town

He has no energy here

??? That’s not my experience with him at all, he’s a good wolf and I always got the impression he enjoyed being a wolf.

[Moleland]

@Wisp

@Moleland

I’m interested in your chainsaw defence/whiteknighting of Leafia. Slight scum lean for it atm.

can you talk to me about this read? Where is this chainsaw/whiteknighting?

His reaction was surprisingly hostile for a bystander.

[Vulgard]

@Leafia

You bring up some good points there. While I don’t agree with you completely, I can at least see how a v!you could come to.the conclusion that you’ve come to.

I think this take is something V!Leafia writes way more often than W!Leafia. I believe W!Leafia jumps to a conclusion about CatLover’s alignment more readily. This feels like a natural progression into that.

@CallMeIo

It means that my Rolecard is Green!

Like, come on, guys. Look at these posts and tell me this isn’t LHF. I sense immense LHF energies.

Maybe I was wrong about calling their posts LHFy on purpose, but either way, yeah.

@Leafia

• SirDerpsALot: Hmmmm, tough to say for sure, but slight townlean. I like his tone so far.
• Wazza: Can’t remember much of anything from him, so null for now.
• Centuries: I don’t care much for how he’s defending Wiisp a bit in a way for scummy behavior, so scumleaning him.
• CatLover: Has a lot if good posts and shows a lot of effort to solve the game, so townreading him.
• Vulgard: Just popped in and out not really saying much. Very slight scumlean
• an_gorta_pratai: Has he even posted yet? I can’t remember. Null.
• sulit: I know he posted but I don’t remember much from him. Null
• CallMeIo: Null on this one too. Don’t remember too much of what he posted.
• Elephas: ines scumreading him earlier due to his take on me and how it felt but he has since improved. Townlean.
• Leafia: The hosts messed up and gave me her rolecard. Locktown.
• Moleland: This is one of two slots I’m most sure of. I hate his tone. Scumread
• ash4fun: His tone seems good so he’s a townlean for now.
• katze: They were like this in my last game with them too and they were town. Townread.
• Wisp: This is the slot that I dislike the most. Her push on Katze just feels like agenda to me.
• Flameo: His tone seems good so slight townlean.

Early readlist with tons of nulls is admittedly :/. Why did you feel the need to post this?

[Moleland]

@Elephas

@Elephas

This is a rather serious accusation. From my understanding, a chainsaw defense implies both players are scum, no? A scum lean doesn’t seem to add up with this. Please expand on this thought process.

I voted Moleland to receive a response to this question. I would have voted Vulgard but he mentioned he was leaving the thread, so I placed him in my FoS group. Those under the “finger of suspicion” are people I suspect, but am not voting. Hence why Mole is not listed there

This feels organic

[Vulgard]

@Centuries

Meh talking with Leafia is useless moreover it’s probably V leafia so yeah

be back later

Very villagery post.

@Moleland

@Wazza stop posting in Vldr and get over here since you are already at L - 4

@Wisp

Tempted to just policy vote Mole for 429

Very towny from Wisp.

@Arete

|Wiisp|Leafia, SirDerpsAlot, Moleland|3/8

I do not understand why this wagon exists.

[Moleland]

@Vulgard

@Arete

|Wiisp|Leafia, SirDerpsAlot, Moleland|3/8

I do not understand why this wagon exists.

In my experience, people who refer to or discuss their own meta like this are usually scum

[Vulgard]

@Wisp

Wazza talked, I wonder which scum buddy pinged him?

on a real note, I am not interested in voting him this early based on that meta, its a wasted vote, and I will see if he keeps up as the day goes on

Mole is a wolf lean for [redacted] reasons

Okay, Wisp is town. The way their progression seems to work is distinctly villagery. Nothing feels fabricated or stilted, and the process isn’t rigid.

@Wisp

Wazza’s first 6 posts don’t really say anything AI, but like if he was to keep that up, he would definitely go down into the “He might actually be a wolf” territory

This.

Wazza claiming VT as one of the first things he did this game is unfortunately a villagery thing to do when you are under suspicion early.

@Wisp

Vulgard, what is your read on Melo?
its so odd to call someone LHF so early in the game

Maybe a TMI reaction?

“Unfortunately town” is my take. Unless they are doing it on purpose. But if not, then I think they are very likely to be town.

Their posts are just… so obviously underwhelming, I’ll be surprised if this flips wolf. From my experience, the obvious answer is rarely the answer.

@katze

sulit actually making a push on D1 is >rand V

bonus points because it felt real

:[

[Vulgard]

@Wisp

The fact that flameo voted for Mole for not answering a question about reads 1 hour into game start, does not feel real to me.

YES. Finally someone worded this in a way I can get behind.

@Wisp

Elephas/Mole/Flameo, dont know if that makes sense as a team, but on an individual level they all bring posts that I hate

Disagree about Elephas, I think their sheer volume and thought process transparent in the thread makes them >>rand V.

@Wisp

Vulgar

“Vul” might be easier for you.

@SirDerpsAlot

Catlover town

Ah, I do love the classic unexplainedDerpsTakes .

[Vulgard]

@Vulgard

Their posts are just… so obviously underwhelming, I’ll be surprised if this flips wolf. From my experience, the obvious answer is rarely the answer.

I might change my mind if they continue to be underwhelming throughout the day.

[Vulgard]

@ash4fun

Sequence of events:

• I make two gut reads with some reasoning
• I tell CatLover they will be first for me to read
• CatLover points out contradiction with above
• I explain that the first two “don’t count” for the purpose of first read
• people misunderstand
• I further explain that I try do an in-depth read on everyone D1, and he would be first of that.

Notice that at no point do I actually intentionally say that the two gut reads are worthless or bad, at least not more than any read at that stage in the game can be.

@ash4fun

I said I’d hate it if someone was doing what people thought I was doing, which in fact I was not doing.

Let’s try again:

I was not trying to cancel my previous posts.
People thought I was trying to cancel my previous posts.
I wouln’t like it if someone actually were trying to cancel their previous posts.

comprende?

The amount of time ash has spent defending himself should be telling about his alignment, but I have no idea what conclusion to draw. I’ve only played with him once and I misread him when he was town. But in that game, he spent less time defending himself and more time actively scumhunting, even though I kept voting him and pushing for him.

So, based on my experience from that one game, his obsession with defending his slot is wolfy. But I’m not certain about it.

Aaaaand I am caught up. My vote is in a good place.

[Vulgard]

@Flameo

Why? Also that is a slight misrepresentation. My stance was that they are actively encouraging to stop finding scum in the current players posting.

Because it’s very easy to claim to scumread someone because “they haven’t done enough.” Effort doesn’t necessarily equate villageriness/wolfiness by itself. Wolves like making easy reads because they are, well, easy. Easy to fake, too. Especially earlygame, when you are settling into the thread.

@Flameo

So who else should I have addressed with my vote? I remember having everyone else either starting to resolve themselves more or being less scummy.

Why are you asking me to tell you who you should’ve voted? I’m not you, I don’t have the same reads as you, I don’t get reads the same way you do. You’re the one who should know who to vote (and who should probably know better than to use that one excuse as backup for your vote).

It’s going to be funny if this is an example of TMI. “Oh, villager, please tell me who I was supposed to vote.”

@Flameo

Silly? It seemed quite genuine to me to be honest.

Agree to disagree.

@Flameo

Isn’t Mole just scum for this like I am? Are you giving our slots different treatment?

I also read Mole as scum, not sure how you got the impression that I didn’t. I think his active shitposting while voting people for overtly wolfy things without higher-level evaluation is scummy. It’s like he’s existing, meming, and jumping on the easiest trains. Which is how many wolves play the game of mafia.

@Flameo

I guess you don’t need to worry about them being LHF, Vulgard?

I struggle to understand if this is a joke or not.

@Flameo

I find it funny that you follow it up with this, while I have had the same take, but you didn’t mention any of that association. Have you read all my posts?

The fact we’re both townreading someone for similar reasons doesn’t make both of us town.

[Vulgard]

I wanna build a towncore.

sulit
Wisp
CatLover
Elephas
Centuries

Leafia?

Who’s in?

[Vulgard]

The above list isn’t ordered.

[Vulgard]

PSA: If Io’s posting doesn’t visibly improve before End of Day, I will probably vote there.

[Elephas]

I started writing a response to your recent posts but I’m finding myself too tired to properly give my opinions coherently. That’s not fair to anyone; so I will be re-reading these in the morning after a cup of joe.

Vulgard, I do have an unrelated question though:
Katze has stated they have a rather strong ability to read you. Does this go both ways?