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[Cattail]

mmrmmmmmmmmmmmm

/vote Eli

I think this is the likeliest wolf this EoD
I think if it is he is treating wagons like the same alignment

I
want

[Solic]

I just press the damn quote button…

I clearly can’t work on readability now anyways, like it matters atm, like 2 minutes left.

[SirDerpsAlot]

I still think he’s a neut

[Strawberry_Shortcake]

Okay. At this point, I think Arete is just dead here. Arete post reads

[orangeandblack5]

/unvote

[Arete]

[quote=“Solic, post:2777, topic:84107, full:true”]

[quote=“Solic, post:2333, topic:84107, full:true”]

@Arete

his early posts were extremely self-aware and performative, in a way that makes me think that he’s trying to look like he doesn’t care about pressure when actually he clearly does. when pressured on it he claims it’s because FK suggested he change his style but unless the way he changed his style was ‘acting like a self-aware wolf for no reason’ that doesn’t really explain things?

It was early, get over it. I already explained why I did what I did. My posts have easily improved after I got some sleep.

@Arete

the depth of thought in his posts has overall been low compared to what I know he’s capable of, I know some of this is probably him being busy but his reads are very surface level

(I’m not going to quote posts for this because it’s essentially his entire Iso)

Oh no, don’t be a coward Arete. QUOTE POSTS.

@Solic

I feel good about Centuries, because I just see nothing that I’m like “THAT’S SCUMMY” in their ISO and their past two games I have most definitely had that experience.

They’re a good scum though, so will reeval after a few flips.

@Solic

I like Sulit vs Santa. I think Santa is most definitely misrepping there. Both on me and Sulit.

Sulit also reserved some of their judgement on my self-vote.

So I’m also slotting that in will re-eval later hihi.

[quote=“Solic, post:377, topic:84107”]

@Santa

Can you fuck off with your constant shading and actually do something?

The latter half of your iso is just a bunch of fluffy “LOL SANTA SCUM”. It’s easy to fake and your reasoning is pretty terrible, tbh.
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@Santa

Sorry, it’s just really annoying when you get accused for pointing out a very common tell and then everyone on FoL spends 30 minutes just throwing stupid posts at you.

@Santa

I feel like this is a coordinated effort between sulit / Solic because they both immediately launch an attack with little to no basis on myself and a townread of mine and just throw low-effort posts our direction.

This just comes across as undeservedly hyper defensive

[quote=“Solic, post:871, topic:84107, full:true”]

[quote=“SirDerpsAlot, post:626, topic:84107”]

@Rue

Why would you be willing to townread something that adds nothing to discussion?

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This post dosent come off as curisoity and the tone kinda has an edge on it meant to discredit this imo

@Rue

I’ve found that making worthless posts tends to be a scumtell, and was curious why Centuries came to the opposite conclusion with that logic.

refer to above about them saying they were curious

@Rue

Gladly.

Cattail is pushing for productivity, which means nothing on its own, but is actually following up on it by asking provoking questions.

Sulit coming in to question Centuries about something she took note of without any sort of agenda behind it makes me feel good about her being town as well.

has to be asked to give reads meh

cattail read is bare bones, sulit read feels weird. “Withought any sort of Agenda” how do you know? Also wolves don’t push agenda 24/7 so like?

@Rue

I still townread sulit, I think they’ve been questioning things with an open mind in a towny way.

Whats a towny way?

@Rue

Why bother posting about the thread being dead then, instead of waiting for more input to occur naturally?

this post feels like the earlier one regarding centries.

@Rue

I’m aware you’re busy, but when you get a chance, could you expand on your read on sulit and give your opinion on the posts Derps quoted?

I’m only pinging you to make sure you don’t miss this.

Why are you asking people for opinions on reads you haven’t given an opinion on? Is their a reason this read means something to you or did you just pick something random to ask about?
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SDA has a post that contains more than like 2 quotes, so townlean for me.

@SirDerpsAlot

Im wiki diving but like with control F so im not really reading much

I also don’t see scum Derps putting in well… any effort, so I like this post too. It’s somewhat similar to how they called out someone else’s meta read in JOAT^2 by actually going to that game and fact checking it.

@Solic

Cattail is probably town with this post and the prior big one being frustrated with town play.

[quote=“Solic, post:1779, topic:84107”]

@ChopChop

I’ll betcha a million dollars Centuries doesn’t vote Rue nor Soltic here for longer then an hour.
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@ChopChop

I don’t understand it from Erika as they don’t play with me as much and I feel it was just a vote with the purpose of no elaboration meaning there’s a good chance of them being scum.

@ChopChop

But I also need to take into consideration it could also be to bump up the pressure on my wagon.

This feels like a tonal dissonance. The first is very cocky/confident/emulating town meta, but there is no follow-up, no tunnel as they themselves say is part of their meta. The second quote as I know it, is not how Town Surge would say it. They would say that Erika must be protecting their scum team and be their scumbuddy. There is just no fire. Whatever mech they are claiming is giving me some pause however overall I’m okay with this wagon.

@ChopChop

My slot in itself ain’t a good lynch as it’s like a “late game” resort for town.

Which leads to I townread Centuries/Sulit/Cattail and townlean SDA/Santa, because SDA still did this weird lost wolf signal at the start and Santa has a greencheck by someone I townread.

No shit, I get deflated somewhat after my main scumread suddenly gets a greencheck on them.

As for calling my reads surface level, let me repeat this argument I had before in my last two town games.

[quote=“Flameo, post:1365, topic:83078”]

@Flameo

@Vulgard

beyond base-level

@Vulgard

very low-level

@Vulgard

very surface-level player.

@Vulgard

In general, I feel like a lot of players this game are overcomplicating everything and maybe that’s what makes me a bit annoyed.

I just had to point this hypocrisy. I wonder if I belonged into both groups for you now.

@Vulgard

@Wisp

The fact that flameo voted for Mole for not answering a question about reads 1 hour into game start, does not feel real to me.

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YES. Finally someone worded this in a way I can get behind.
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This was completely unrelated to what you’ve said about me thus far…?

@Vulgard

Because it’s very easy to claim to scumread someone because “they haven’t done enough.” Effort doesn’t necessarily equate villageriness/wolfiness by itself. Wolves like making easy reads because they are, well, easy. Easy to fake, too. Especially earlygame, when you are settling into the thread.

So you expect me to materialize something super complex exactly at that, the start of the game…? A read also does not have to be complex to be right. I’ll need to re-case probably everyone, because I am getting really bogged down by this specifically.

I have more in my life to do now, so yes I am not going to do the same as my very best town game. Deal with it. Especially on day fucking 1, not in the weekend. My last two town games, I was also playing “surface” level and I did just fine.

@Arete

his read on my slot feels bad faith, I’m trying to avoid being biased here because it’s my slot but as far as I can tell the entire basis of his push is 1-2 games of meta despite the fact that he’s literally never even played with scum!Surge and that he explicitly called out an earlier meta-read on him for only referencing a single game. The post where he voted me also feels tonally off, like, it doesn’t feel like he’s speaking to someone he genuinely believes is a wolf.

I’ve read through Surge scum in Wild West FM and my meta is less stark, considering my last scum game is like a year ago? I don’t even remember it. Surge has played way more consistently last few games and I was being tunneled by them for a good 250 posts or so in my last game, so it’s quite easy to distinguish from the lack of fire they displayed here.

@Arete

Post 1.

okay

I have three minutes so my answers are going to be thin

• you explained at some point in your Iso that your early posts were ‘trying to act scummy to see who would jump on’. I see ‘I was doing a Slayer’s Gambit’ from wolves a lot to justify weak openings e.g. Chloe in Insurgency
• I am not quoting posts with three minutes left. your entire Iso has no posts that required more than five minutes of thought.
• as a corrolary your thoughts were actually better in JoaT^2

[PokemonKidRyan]

I trust in him.
I usually say my read on him is right… and it often is not.

So I am going for it.
Like many things this game I am going full throttle believing in him.

[Rue]

I see.

If Wazza wasn’t pushing for Arete, who would you be voting?

[Hippolytus]

/vote eli

[orangeandblack5]

app can we get a current VC

[BillNyeTheScienceGuy]

/vote PokemonKidRyan

It feels like they’re diverting responsibility onto someone else!

[Hippolytus]

Changed my mind

[Arete]

PKR is avoiding making a read on my alignment and deferring to Wazzaa because he doesn’t want to look bad when I flip town

[SirDerpsAlot]

Vote arete why we going onto cws

[Cattail]

I don’t like this}

I don’t like any of this

#blamewazza

[PokemonKidRyan]

Good, vote me.
Waste your vote scum

[Arete]

/vote Eli

self pres

[Hippolytus]

Eli is obsessed with solic v arete lol

[Rue]

I agree, but I don’t feel good about you continuing to vote on vanity wagons.

[SirDerpsAlot]

You flip wolf nerd