Why we should replace/remove Retribution/Frame/Mindwarp

That punishes Sheriffs fooled by his self-frame way too much for my liking

What if Fool just doesn’t though

Let the Fool bask in his own win, but then the problem is that there’s almost no downside for letting a Fool win other than wasting a trial

I don’t like Frame as a Fool ability in the first place.

I wouldn’t mind giving it Retribution.

I mean what if Fool just didn’t do anything

Like what if it didn’t exist at all

All problems fixed easy

Fool is cool, orange :stuck_out_tongue:

Still, it has be somewhat distinguishable from a real evil. They should talk their way to death, not have the invests do it for them.

https://forum.imperium42.com/t/why-fool-is-a-mistake/37212

I’ve read that. However, my counter argument is that Fool by definition is an incorrect lynch.

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Is it Blue Dragon?

Does it win with the Blue Dragon?

Does it even help the Blue Dragon?

It doesn’t have to be strict. It’s a neat gimmick, and it doesn’t outright lie to you. The problem is that it is too infrequent. It makes people not alert to it.

Fool is plenty frequent.

It can.

No, the issue is that it takes what should be a good situation, eliminating a scummy and evil player, and punishes the town for it.

It encourages poor play and acts as a crutch the evils really don’t need. It’s not fun to lynch a Fool, and it’s too damn easy to be much fun to play one either.

It’s not evil though. It’s agressive, but not interested in the BDs downfall.

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So can Scorned. The ability to win alongside a faction is not the same as winning with them.

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But how would it possibly get lynched that way? I mean if you’re gonna do that then it’s basically almost impossible to win as, also retribution as a passive would be a little to much like TOS and unnecessary, I like it on hunter and I think it should stay that way. What I liked was the occupation to all BD.

But does that mean that it is on the same side as the BD?

Is Fool an ally of the Blue Dragon?

Because if not, lynching it should be good.

Clever play?

I can play a fine Fool game without a single power.

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Getting lynched as Fool is pretty easy, you don’t need to rely on the frame alone.