[FM] Short Fuse IV - Game Over - Town wins

[Firekitten]

y’all submitted y’all answers already

[JakeTheWolfie]

I dunno

[SirDerpsAlot]

before submitting, you can look after

[Solic]

It gets a lot easier to read people once you are scum with them, since a lot of how they are is revealed to you then.

[sulit]

I am pleased to report the icecream is very good

[Alice]

In retrospective...

@Alice

So far here’s pretty much what I have.

• Don’t ever blow Marshall or Wazza up this match as I’m quite sure they’re town by now. Wazza’s entire tunneling shit on Marshall has the level of conviction that never comes from scum and Marshall’s entire reaction of not giving a shit about dying and then asking for us to blow Wazza after he flips almost always comes from town over scum.

• Hippo shouldn’t really be blown up until late-game, really. I liked his tone so far, but I still want more content from them.

• Arete nor Dat should never be allowed to endgame here. Arete’s entire ISO of Derp felt like weak distancing and he never really followed up the question on why Derp had Blue as his top townread. Dat’s ISO on Arete had the same feeling.

• Kind of uneasy on Derp as his top townread and top scumread felt way too braindead. Blue hasn’t really posted much and to want Jake, who’s pretty much a PL at this point anyway, dead doesn’t really seem much. I’d just pressure the everliving shit out of him, tbh.

• Solic’s more determined and focused now and I don’t see the same level of flightiness from him as in RRM or RM3 as he’s actually sticking to his scumreads unlike those games. Would actually put him as a townlean here and not somebody to be killed until endgame. Also Arete W means Solic V as I don’t think his focus on them is ever distancing.

• Jake is… would probs want more, again. His defeatism looks kind of towny, tbfh.

@Alice

Would put my reads rn at

Town

Wazza
Marshall

Solic
Hippo
Kyo
Jake

Blue
Sulit

Derp
Dat
Arete

Scum

@Alice

Aside from the fact that DatBird’s ISO has been meh-ish, here are some notes I’ve had on him.

@DatBird

In this small of a setup mafia prob wouldnt want mafia detonators since they need to get through town fast, plus with the kill every 24 hour thing that way I could get a second town if they didnt blow me up

@DatBird

Right here. Saying I would take town

Kind of solidifies my read on Arete/Dat being potentially W/W considering that both have shit ISOs and Dat is holding Arete’s detonater.

@DatBird

Yeah Im leaning towards being ok if someone blows this one up

Would think Dat W clears Jake.

@Alice

So RN I’m kind of trying to sort Dat/Blue/Jake/Derp/Arete/Sulit.

Don’t think Dat would be so okay with Jake being boomed like that, so ruling them not W/W.

Kind of thinking that the scumteam right now may be Arete/Dat/Derp OR Blue OR Sulti.

Probs going to ISO Sulit and then see their scumgame in SFoL50 for comparison.

@Alice

Aside from the fact that DatBird’s ISO has been meh-ish, here are some notes I’ve had on him.

@DatBird

In this small of a setup mafia prob wouldnt want mafia detonators since they need to get through town fast, plus with the kill every 24 hour thing that way I could get a second town if they didnt blow me up

@DatBird

Right here. Saying I would take town

Kind of solidifies my read on Arete/Dat being potentially W/W considering that both have shit ISOs and Dat is holding Arete’s detonater.

@DatBird

Yeah Im leaning towards being ok if someone blows this one up

Would think Dat W clears Jake.

@Alice

@SirDerpsAlot

I agree with his read on blue, not sure with the meta read on dat, but I do agree mafia wouldn’t purposefully avoid answering that

@SirDerpsAlot

His one post is super scummy

Don’t think Blue/Derps is realistic being that I don’t think Derps would townread a wolfmate just for a single post like that.

Don’t think Jake/Derps is realistic either being that Jake is the latter’s top scumread and this doesn’t really make sense from a scum PoV.

I think Jake’s just town from his interaction with my PoE.

@Alice

@sulit

@BlueStorm

Plus also on this point, I’m reminded of the first FM game where Scum!Ici was basically blown to hell for refusing to make much of a comment on Scum!Celeste (who he had the detonator for), instead saying “Town player is scum, discuss” or “I’m going to make reads on Town player in a moment”.

That was a particularly bad game for scum.

@BlueStorm

Ooh.

I mean I can see the benefits of going both town and scum detonator as scum

But I feel like I would probably pick town since I already have a “genuine reaction” that people could look back on for when I detonated Baz randomly and hit mafia.

His tone feels slimy

And because he put so much thought into this

This is NFoL3, one of Blue’s scumgames. His tone matches and he keeps in relatively serious.

@BlueStorm

The associations are better made later on in the game

Like in FoL21 where I was pretty sure Shuri was GK because I didn’t think any EK would stick their neck out for someone as widely scumread as I was due to a false redcheck, but by the end of it it was basically the only thing going on

@BlueStorm

I was gonna have discobot roll a 1d2 to see which type of scum we have

But I don’t know if that’s against the rules or not, I feel like I’ve seen people being told not to use Discobot.

@BlueStorm

Let me clarify

The associations are more accurately made later on in the game

Obviously if you think you can make the links then go for it, but like LT said, they’re flimsy unless you can see some pretty clear signalling.

These are two of Blue’s town games. He keeps a relatively jokey and light tone, not overly analytical

@BlueStorm

shrugs

I’m (for now) mindmelding with Zone. I think that just like The Flood, if there is anything to just stop traitors doing stuff while they are around us, we can do it there and then.

@BlueStorm

A’ight panic over

How do you even submit going to a location?

@BlueStorm

Yeah, I can.

Which is why I’m voting you, you liar.

@BlueStorm

Also whoever is Prince, yeet your jail somewhere else, I got shit to do tonight.

@BlueStorm

Entrée, mesirs. I see my slot is suspected of being an assassin, was it? Wherefore?

@BlueStorm

I’m not trusting information about which type of scum we’re dealing with from the gal that pulled a false redcheck on my slot.

@BlueStorm

I’m wondering what else you expect me to do.

Hjasik pulls a false redcheck on my slot and the general consensus is to get BD to waste all of their Prince’s exes on me.

Lemme ask you this. Why would Hjasik investigate Meteoro N1 instead of, say, someone hard to read?

@BlueStorm

So what, there’s not like a voting mechanism or anything?

@BlueStorm

Can I search for Solic/Geyde/Priestess while we’re here? I don’t trust the mod team.

@BlueStorm

If there’s anything I’ve learned in a zombie apocalypse scenario, it’s to use evil people as bait if shit goes south.

So yea I’d probably detonate blue if I could

Also about your choosing a mafia or town detonator

I’d probably choose mafia because
a) I don’t have to worry about trigger happy town
b) If we really wanted to my scum mate could blow me up for towncred

Sulit’s decisiveness kind of looks good here. Don’t think they are W/W with Blue.

@Alice

@DatBird

As for now I would say I would say I’m for a Wazza detonate on Marshal
Against a Kyo Detonate on Solic
Against a SirDerps detonate on Sulit
And against a Jake detonate on me obviously

Hmm, Dat W probs also furthers Marshall V.

Third line is interesting.

@DatBird mind telling me more about Sulit and Derp?

@Alice

Sulit having Blue as his top scumread and Derp having Blue as his top townread makes me believe if Blue’s scum then the scumteam’s precisely Blue/Dat/Arete being that I don’t see any other potential wolfmate with him unless I miscleared someone earlier.

@Alice

Kind of leaning on Blue/Dat for being exploded by now. So yep.

Having a game where I can actually solve here without being fearkilled n1 here was a breath of fresh air, tbh.

[eevee]

Answers

You all failed the test anyway.

Mostly cause test wasn’t about number of correct answers.

[sulit]

@eevee-sama

You all failed the test anyway.

reminds me of something

something called school

[SirDerpsAlot]

well, I tried

[eevee]

@Kirefitten

If you have different opinion about result of experiment, message me.

[Arete]

I’m really curious what hypothesis you were testing.

[sulit]

He probably won’t tell us but will keep discussing it in the thread with FK

[Solic]

4/6 I’ll take it.

[Solic]

@eevee-sama

You all failed the test anyway.

Orrrr did we all pass the test.

[SirDerpsAlot]

your test was rigged

[Solic]

But didn’t you fear a paranoid Reaper.

[DatBird]

U read me like a book good job

[Alice]

Tbh, as scum you need to start making stronger conclusions and stop hedging. Finishing a wallpost with a hedge looks terrible in general and I never see you do that as town.

[DatBird]

Yeah… i have a hard time with that, but i will try. Thanks for the advice though

[Alice]

@DatBird

@Arete

Because I’m town, and detonating me would bring the Mafia closer to victory. I realize that ‘I’m town’ is not proof of being town, but it bears mentioning.

boring Im town crap that everyone gives

@Arete

Because even if you temporarily operate under the assumption that I’m scum, my scum play typically provides a wealth of associative reads if you actually bother to look for them (see SFoL 51 before the redcheck got outed – hardly anyone bothered to use them, but they were there). If I were scum, detonating me now would make it harder to find my scumbuddies later.

Idk if town Arete would say this

@Arete

Because if I’m left alive, I’ll have the chance to actually analyze the game/do Isos/etc., all of which are things that should help figure out who the scum are.

this is like the best point out of the three, but isos arent even really needed when its 400 posts

@Arete

It’s less than five hundred words, Solic, it’s not a wallpost (and thus, I’m not locktown yet).

(Iso of SirDerps incoming, chosen because I hold his detonator and thus he’s one of the most important people FMPOV for alignment-figuring-out purposes.)

Wallpostss = town joke. boring, plus an iso of derps and still theeres less than 400 posts its not really nessecary but i guess, kinda just feels like not needed

@Arete

I was going to ask for your thoughts on Alice while I wrote my wallpost but it looks like she hasn’t really posted yet.

Yeah his thoughts on someone who hasntt posted yet before this post, Solics gonna have much to talk about

Overall just like fluff in the wallposts and Im town things and promising isos that arent even like needed this early. Like a lot of it is just like why? Oh wait more content

@Arete

@Solic if you could detonate anyone right now, and not doing so weren’t an option, who would it be and why?

a question, that is pretty much asking who u scumread.

@Arete

If you could make someone other than yourself permanently detonation immune, who would it be and why?

I do genuinlly like this question even though it boils down to whos ur biggest TR. But at least its different from other questions asked so far.

Idk I would say slight scumread, they havent impressed me much but not a lot of people have either.

Idk I would say slight scumread, they havent impressed me much but not a lot of people have either.

This line was probably the smoking gun that made me want to detonate you. The second part focused way too much on the conditional of others when it came for the read on Arete.