[FoL] Forum of Lies 28 - ENDGAME - BD + Crus win (9/18)

[Arete]

it was a legitimate question in as much as I did in fact want to know how much that was factoring into your read on kat

[Marshal]

well if you don’t give evidence then my point still stands

Even the most skilled players can be read.

Your whole argument is basically that nobody can be read at all when comparing past games because they could just be having a mood swing.

@clonedcheese

@Marshal

is my reasoning that town arete and wolf arete have these vibes incorrect/has reasonable doubt

If such changes are obvious scumtells d1
Wouldnt they have fixed it by now
Thats my argument

this has never come back to bite them and their wolf game in general is very strong

only vul has a true soulread on arete and I might also have a soulread

time will tell

[clonedcheese]

@Marshal

Your whole argument is basically that nobody can be read at all when comparing past games because they could just be having a mood swing.

Yeah that pretty much sums it up
Maybe im just lrojecting my abysmal ability to read upon everyone

[Marshal]

and it’s not obvious wolftells
this case took me a while
I looked at their whole ISO in this game and like 4 other games to make sure I wasn’t tripping
almost looked at FM2 but decided that I didn’t feel like finding it on CD.

arete isn’t like an emilia-tier player but I do think that when they are a villager, I will know.

And I don’t see arete being a villager rn

[Arete]

@Marshal

I looked at their whole ISO in this game and like 4 other games to make sure I wasn’t tripping

I … just actually don’t believe that you looked at my Iso in other games and came to the conclusion that not asking questions is scum-AI for me

like

one of my most pervasive and consistent scumtells is padding my Iso with useless questions that don’t do anything

I checked my Iso in Evolution Mafia to be sure I wasn’t just imagining things

all the useless questions I asked on D1 of Evolution Mafia

@Arete

@Solic do you mind elaborating on that?

@Arete

Why are you assuming it’s a bad reactiontest as opposed to a slip?

@Arete

What specifically do you see as bad about it?

@Arete

Can you explain the town motivation behind clogging the thread with posts like this one?

@Arete

would Osie let a jester pass review?

@Arete

Have you had a chance to read up on the thread?

@Arete

@Icibalus can you explain your TMI-case on Possessed a little more?

@Arete

any particular reason why you think there’s a partner in there?

@Arete

have you had a chance to read up on the game yet?

@Arete

Can you give more details on what specifically you see each thing as meaning?

@Arete

feel like explaining that take?

@Arete

If Marshal is scum why do you think he’s being bussed? If Marshal is somehow town why would people trying to stop a Marshal lynch be scum?

@Arete

@N.1 did you ever catch up on the thread?

@Arete

can you quote the post?

@Arete

I haven’t actually played with scum!Poss, do you know how much he tends to bus?

@Arete

do you have a read on Possessed?

@Arete

what do you mean by this? like, you think he’s a villager with good reads?

@Arete

Do you see it as W/W or V/V?

@Arete

can you go into your take on the eevee/Italy interactions a little more?

@Arete

where did he say that you don’t sound like you’re enjoying the game?

@Arete

Solic, would you join me on Marshal?

and … I do not believe that Marshal actually checked my Iso in previous games

I actually just don’t

because this is the sort of thing he would have noticed if he had

[Arete]

anyways

rather than actually finishing Isoing everyone I’m going to go to sleep

because I would like to both get something vaguely resembling enough sleep and be around for EoD

probably waking up ~half an hour before EoD

[Marshal]

Point still stands that you haven’t shown a real attempt to solve slots and more importantly help slots solve themselves

I looked at dangan mostly, evo, poisonous, champs game 4, and the Monty python practice game

so actually 5 games

Champs game 4 and the practice game are important ones because I was spectating and found you as a villager by the end of day 1 by just looking at your thought process

Those are pagegames but it still works.

[Frostwolf103]

This meta put a bad reputation on my name and sure I got myself to blame however you can’t blame me for not playing the game by not reading D1 content that allow me to make N1 action and I get deathtunneled for it when I slank D1.

I find balance between slanking and hyperposting in the first day to not make myself a target by cultseen or other third party.

[Arete]

okay I started to go through my old games to show exactly why you are numerically wrong

except then I realized that my shortcut for sorting posts (searching/control-Fing for question marks and checking whether the posts that came up actually contain questions) … doesn’t work given my typing style

anyways I’m actually going to sleep now

[CRichard564]

@clonedcheese

No
I need answers
I have snuck a phone into bed so that my parents cant yell at me anymore

And frankly
I dont see the big reveal
My original reads were accurate.

All i see from your ISO is giving reads and being “helpful”, a common towntell

However that push on me was abysmally weak, and yet you still try and make yourself seem the larger man.

Such behavior clearly indicative efforts to mislynch reveal your previous towntells to be deepwolf tells

First off, your case on me. It’s just this:

@CRichard564

I didn’t like your entrance as well. Though I suppose it was a little unfair to call you out for slanking when real life gets in the way.

Mind you, your entrance isn’t too different from SFoL 61.5 when you were town.

You were scumreading me for:

1. My entrance, which you kindly point out that ive done it before as town
2. Slanking

So like
What even is this “push”
And why are you calling my scumlean on you OMGUS, when there’s not even a solid case against me

@CRichard564

At this point, I’m inclined to think cheese is village here who is annoyed at me pushing on him.

You’re making it seem as if im a lost child getting angry at you pushing me
Look at your “push” at me again and tell me

1. Is this genuinely what i believe
2. Am i looking at things correctly

If you’re town, please look again at who’s pushing who. Right now i see a pushing of a false narrative.

If my push is so weak that it made you spew as a village lean, then it isn’t weak then.
Cheese if you want to enjoy the game more, I’d stop assuming everyone pushing on you is a wolf acting in bad faith.

[CRichard564]

I pushed you for information to help solved your slot and at least I can say you’re a village lean.

You only started to scum read me when I pushed on you. Before then you put me as a village lean. I don’t see anything else that would make it different from OMGUS.
Does this remind you of anything?

@clonedcheese

im not liking you as a person for activity reads

frankly I read you as light town since I think you’re pretty easy to read as scum (based on SFoL 61.5 which might be wrong), and I don’t see anything wrong yet

I still think you’re village as I would think if you’re group scum that your scum partner if you had any to rein you in. Yet you still haven’t done that.

[Jane]

@clonedcheese

Do you have any reads other then CRichard?

[Jane]

Okay, but it doesn’t seem like they actually knew CRich was being townread by the majority of the players, and right now I’m not getting good vibes.

[an_gorta_pratai]

@Jane

and right now I’m not getting good vibes.

What do you mean?

[CRichard564]

Jane is probably referring to how cheese’s reaction to my push on him is best summarised as OMGUS.

[CRichard564]

Tinfoil: If Marshal is a wolf, he is either a scum siding neutral or Neutral Killer. Talk with me on this.

[CRichard564]

He was defending himself solo against Katze and Arete, which makes me suspect he is more likely Neutral Killer than group scum if he isn’t town. I don’t think a world with group scum Marshal is likely here.

[an_gorta_pratai]

I could see that

[CRichard564]

Sigh I’m talking to a dead thread again .

[CRichard564]

As far as I’m concerned, Marshal cannot be starting group scum.
In fact I think he has the highest NK equity as of now.