Holy crap I’m liking Luxy alot. The effort. The mindmelds. I think they even managed to express a lot of what I said about cabbage and made it more understandable/less messy. This is definitely going into my towncore. They even have shared similar thoughts with me about other slots, including Eli even.
…This is gling to be hard with two wolves in the thread saying “no u” without explanation…
This is the current PoE I am working with:
Emilia
Gorta
Arete
Hippo
Marl
Everyone else except Arctic and Luxy is in the “I found mothing objectionable but also nothing that clears them” category.
I’ve explained Emilia and Gorta too many times already.
I’ve suspected Arete so far, but their actions in the last ~100 posts havre cast them in… a weird light. I’ve explained already how they appear to be cobbling non-scummy-but-annoying things together for their evisceration of Marshal first thing today.
The “weird” part comes from their defense of me - conversely to Luxy who is going into reading me with the assumption that I am scum, I think Arete is going in with the assumption that I am town. Although they did point out arguments I find logical and frankly would have made (or have already made), I find their explanation of my actions unlikely to come from someone that does not know my alignment with over 90% confidence.
My case on both Marl and Hippo are the same - they’ve just been here without contributing much, meanwhile not voting their largest scumreads. Hippo has claimed repeatedly that Arete is scum for faking the wallpost at the very beginning, and has voted everywhere but Arete. As for Marl, I can’t even tell where his largest scumread is - they’ve sheeped me onto Gorta, and sheeped Luxy onto myself back again. I’d expect “the hero” to have a little more bold reads.
Sorry @Luxy, but I’m sadly not good enough to look for association with no wolf flips - any combination of these slots I find equally likely to be scum.
i’ve read most of your cabbage case and it’s pretty good, but this point in particular concerns me
i notice that most of the people on this site tunneling 1-2 slots end up being town, which suggestst that mafia would be more self-aware about their game approach and would feel a greater need to appear as though they are solving the whole game – which cabbage doesn’t really have
this means that a lot of the things you’re believing to be agenda could just as easily be that of a deathtunneled villager
i don’t think this really discredits your entire argument, though despite how robotic their posting may feel, their takes actually make some semblance of sense (like their emilia case) unlike gorta who i think is probably more likely to flip wolf
what other contributions? i agree with this take like entirely, and i don’t think enough attention has been paid to the slot
my approach with responding to the arete case means i agree with most of it unless i’ve mentioned something in this post
is this AI
why did you mention this without commenting on what it meant
i kind of disagree because as someone who is in a similar position to arete in that the majority of gorta’s case against them relies on preflipping cabbage wolf (which is also something that you’ve done a lot in this case, although i understand yours was meant to be more of a gamesolve) i agree with like, pretty much everything they’ve said in this string of posts
yeah, the marshal nightkill implicates cabbage and arete which means if they were wolves then it would explain why marshal was nightkilled despite being fairly suspected
Wazza Case, and a Lesson in How To Format Cases That People Might Actually Read
hi its everyone’s favorite glitch pokemon here to explain why wazza is a wolf in a way that wont just get immediately glossed over for being a mess of long quotes
let’s start off with
This interaction with Marshal
This interaction comes off as fake because of how she approaches it. She doesn’t question marshal’s towncore in the slightest or the motivation behind marshal creating such a towncore. This isn’t due to an established townread on Marshal either, she hadn’t created any reads by this point.
Moving on to the next point:
Interaction with my d1 readslist
The fact that she enters talking about not liking my readslist than points out reads to question on its own is fine, but the fact that it was done in separate posts as well as the line about devil’s advocate in the second post seems like the questioning was an afterthought - if she didn’t like the readslist, why did she have to point out that she didn’t disagree with it?
I also want to point this quote out:
This is a provided reason as to why Marshal was killed N1. Wolves wanted the thread to be easy to control, and Marshal was in the way of that due to her activity. I also think Arete is town because of this - if the wolf plan was to kill Marshal N1 and profit off of a threadstate with low activity, it’s an unnecessarily risky play to come out of the gate going after Marshal during the day.
Moving on
Further discussion of Marshal and Arete
There’s no provided reasoning on Marshal being town at any point. She doesn’t have a reason to shut down Arete’s push on Marshal despite the fact that she thinks Arete is town and a strong player.
Discussion of EoD wagons
There’s no conclusion taken here. Wazza never placed an EoD vote. There’s very little discussion of cabbage at all, which makes me believe they could possibly be w/w. She says she thinks Aelin is town, but doesn’t bother substantiating the read in the slightest and seems to actively not care.
Conclusion
Wazza’s D1 is incredibly thin of reads, making unsubstantiated defenses at arbitrary points, and questioning that never goes anywhere, as well as possibly TMIing the reas for the night 1 kill.
i don’t understand how the first part of this leads you to arete being town but i may be stupid
something about wazza that was weirding me out is the way they defended marshal day 1 for “keeping thread alive” as you pointed out which couId be TMI, but also i think this makes wazza more likely to be a wolf for another reason
the marshal nightkill could implicate wazza because i’m pretty sure the main reason she died was because she was organising the game and wolves wanted more thread control – wazza’s explicit awareness of this fact means it’s likely she chose the nightkill, because she believes marshal was not only controlling the game but also being townread for it, whereas most others would know the latter wasn’t the case
Very cool case which does lean me in a direction although I still have people I scumread more (Cabbage). I’d say Wazza is a good slot to be shot at tomorrow.
this is basically what i said ye - i think this leads to arete being town because if they want thread control by killing marshal n1, it’s too much of a risk to take a shot at getting it by pushing marshal during the day