Ninjas and Guns - Overwatch Flavor - [3/17] - Day 7: Mafia Wins (winky face) (it's not a joke)

[ATNoName]

/vote Amelia

[Marshal]

nya

[Marshal]

aight i gotta help a friend with smthn, be back in like 30 minutes or so?

[clonedcheese]

Why

[ATNoName]

pressure. Will switch depending on what happens at EoD

[Aelin]

Marissa

@Marshal

sulit is v
im not elaborating until someone guesses my reasoning

@Marshal

unrelated pro tip: if you don’t have reads, say you have a read, ask people to guess the reasoning and then steal theirs

This second post makes the first one absolutely useless and there’s no reason for her to say it

@Marshal

i’ve stopped having fun with the sulit thing, it’s because i thought she’d be trying harder as wolf cuz shed be hyped for the rand

game is slow, hope it picks back up when i have time to play it

sulit posted
twice? since marissa posted the sulit scum thing

@Marshal

mostly the first one because it shows annoyance with wind’s discrediting tone without immediately using it to really push wind by giving it a justification in the post.

i disagree with the first one being good because it feels like hedge to me
im not scumreading sulit off of it, but it’s absolutely NAI because she would definitely say that as either town or scum

@Marshal

/vote aelin

can you explain why you were voting me at this point?

@Marshal

idk if i even articulated why the first time but at the beginning she had no reads and fluffed a ton which is how she plays every scum game iirc

this is incorrect. this is super incorrect.
like
i definitely wasnt taking burnt tail seriously, considering it was short fuse and both of my teammates were absolute trash
i know i shouldnt be disrespectful but seriously. they fucking ruined it.
Catgirl Bomb Nightless: Burnt Tail - Day 2 (4/12) Town win 😳 - #2408 by Vulgard scum game
Darling in the Franxx SFM - Game Over | Mafia Win - #11868 by orangeandblack5 scum game
[Standard] NUF FM 2 - GAME OVER (MAFIA + NEUTRAL VICTORY) scum game
[FM] Henry Stickmin Vig10er - Game Thread - Government (Town) Wins! (3/10) - #2426 scum game
[FM] Yes, We Can’t Have Nice Things Because This Is A Clown Fiesta Sequel ENDGAME [3/22] - #5905 by KyoDaz scum game
[VFM] SFoL -1: Hall of the Incendiary - Night 6 - Cult wins! - #5522 by thepigeonnyc scum game
if you want to go back further you can
but literally the only one that lines up with this at all is burnt tail

@Marshal

“legit kll me if eli is town” is a bit over the top

yeah
shrug
if im dying anyway i might as well admit that i faked a lot of confidence on it at the start
honestly
it was purely for fun. and it was! sorry eli

@Marshal

i agree with whoever called it a bus

this is disgusting, though
preflip read where she’s going after the accuser instead of the accused

@Marshal

why did we kill eli

and then theres this
she thinks we’re W/W and I’m bussing
but “why did we kill eli”

@Marshal

this is like the least i have tried in a town game in like 2 years my man

same
up until my wall but yk yall just like ruining things for me

@Marshal

wazza is… wazza. Prob mafia, her takes are pretty deflato potato.

dont think her eod is as bad as i’ve heard ppl are saying

this is interesting and does give me pause
because its a decent read and doesnt just sheep the consensus of “bad EoD”
i wish there was a bit more fleshing out here but what can i do about it

@Marshal

/vote aelin @whoeverishostingiforgot

we should probably take out the person who tunneled a lhf into the earth and then immediatley victim blamed them. thats my take.

this is, to be fair, exactly what i would expect scum to do in this situation
but coming from an absolutely not trying v!marissa isn’t impossible
at this point its fallacious because it relies on “its wolfy because she’s a wolf” or “Its towny because she’s town”

@Marshal

lin ur pfp is cute

@Marshal

pick one

in reference to

@Marshal

why am i ‘ig scum’

@Aelin

you complimented my pfp
therefore you must be trying to pocket me

@Aelin

also youre voting me but havent really talked about it much

this is meh overall
slightly towny? for calling me out on it

@Marshal

i havent mentioned anyone whatsoever and I am completely uninvested in the wagons

i honestly dont know what to think about this
openwolfing is NAI

@Marshal

u know full well i’m a total goat wolf, i’m not frozen i’m really just feelin like chilling for a few phases

this feels overly self-conscious, like it’s preparing in advance for this to happen

@Marshal

@Aelin

im reading you based on your perceived opinions while being activity

so its omgus

this is somewhat incorrect, but not entirely
you hadnt fleshed out your read at this point
i was mostly talking about your progression on me/eli
because you had it as me/eli W/W
then “why did we kill eli”
“lin wolf anyway”
“i dont care about wagons at all”

@Marshal

ur full of it lin

cough merc game flashbacks cough
oh my god
i didnt even think about it but you are playing similar to that game
still not sure why you pushed me so hard there

@Marshal

it’s a mostly jokey way of acknowledging that your read on me is based of my wolfread on you

none of your “mostly jokey” stuff has felt “mostly jokey”

@Marshal

You of all people should know i’m well well well within my villager range. Srsly brah

this is just a disgusting post through and through

@Marshal

havent paid enough attention to the game but i’m still fully down to pull a d2 dome, I think you have a solid 85-90% chance of flipping wolf and you’re the counterwagon anyways

@Marshal

and now you are doing the exact same thing to me here

these are blatantly contradictory and shading

@Marshal

It’s a free mislynch

thats exactly the point
i dont have to do anything to ml eli there
i could just let the thread do it for me at any point in time

@Marshal

Another LHF player, trying to strongarm votes on someone who clearly showed that their capacity to defend themselves was low.

both of these points are bullshit
like
honest to god these are probably the worst pieces of the ISO

@Marshal

I wish I could articulate the wind read entirely to you but I don’t rlly think that’s possible

I can give my peice on why i think she’s still p obvtowning tho

do you disagree with any part of my wind wall?
have you read my wind wall?

@Marshal

and it’s not made up of crazy gambits and stuff like that

not really
again
ToS2399 - ɢᴀᴍᴇ ᴛʜʀᴇᴀᴅ - ɢᴀᴍᴇ ᴏᴠᴇʀ [ᴍᴀꜰɪᴀ ᴡɪɴꜱ] - ᴀᴡ ꜱʜɪᴛ, ʜᴇʀᴇ ᴡᴇ ɢᴏ ᴀɢᴀɪɴ - #6413 by MaximusPrime - slayer gambit
Countries FM - The Cold War - Game Over - Communism is Victorious! - (2/24) - #7003 by CRichard564 - intentionally antagonizing people
Umineko FM: Turn of the Golden Witch - Game Over - Wolves Win - #8408 by ChopChop - overhyping reads for reactions
SFoL 66: Old Ruins FoL 2 - The Blue Dragon and The Mercenary are Victorious! (11/16) - #6194 by EVO - strongarming a kill on eli there, too
hey eli

@Marshal

her alignment is not town my friendo

neutral good

@Marshal

In that game aelin had abouuut 211/2411 posts, or 8.9% of the thread. There was a lot of postgame discussion taht flooded thread ut again I don’t factor that in. Here they have 241/1873 posts, which is 12.9% of the thread approximately.

That 30% difference between those two numbers is not statistically significant, especially considering how liberal in estimates we are at. She doesn’t have a ‘lowpost wolf’ meta brah

this is a good post because she actually decided to go through the game and put in effort
so this is towny, with the addendum of it being nowhere near outside of her wolfrange

@Marshal

is it wolfy

you implied it was wolfy for me but ‘stop’ for them

the main difference there is that one of you were in that game
i dont think ive ever played with Koba before
if youre saying i have a lowposting wolf meta, its scummy because its incorrect
if they’re saying it, its wrong but not necessarily scummy

there you go
you happy now?
btw heres the game i mentioned that marissa is acting like
NFoL5 (5/16) - Endgame - BD, Merc, and Strigoi win! - #5751 by Mercenary
i was a neut
marissa helped strongarm a lynch on me d1 as scum

[clonedcheese]

i mean they just replaced in
give them time to read

[ATNoName]

not planning on yeeting them this day anways.

[Aelin]

@Marshal

Aelin do you mind walking me through where you actually are on my slot? You made some kind of post signifying change but I don’t see how it’s embodied and I don’t really see your approach changing as a result of that.

help me out here

i was leaving you alone for a bit while i iso’d you
i finished that iso
i get that this is an attempt to give me an out, but i still think you’re scum

[Aelin]

/vote marshal @katze
back on my bullshit lesgo

[DkKoba]

based

[katze]

Player	Voted by	Votes
Aelin	clonedcheese, Marshal, sulit	3/8
PokemonKidRyan	Intensify, eevee	2/8
Marshal	DkKoba, Aelin	2/8
NetherNitro	Wazza	1/8
Wazza	NetherNitro	1/8
sulit	PokemonKidRyan	1/8
clonedcheese	Esooa	1/8
Amelia	ATNoName	1/8
Not voting	Universal, SkyRED, Amelia	3

Ping me for errors. Pinging me for votes is cool, too.

Due to the unexpected and extended forum downtime, the day will be extended 8 hours. I apologize if this EoD is less convenient for people, and the night phase may be shortened a few hours for a couple nights to correct this over time. This information will be included in every votecount for the rest of the day.

The day will end at 2021-06-11T01:00:00Z.

[Aelin]

Anyway, here's Winderwall

[quote=“Aelin, post:1645, topic:88013, full:true”]
A motherfucking cat video

@WindwardAway

• Darling in the Franxx

• Most recent scum game that started was actually Upick 2, and I got voted out D1 so it also ended very fast for me lol. Most recent scum game that I played till the end was Ballade des Dames du Temps Jadis, on Mafia Colosseum, but it started in March. The day phases were 12 irl days long and the night phases were 48 h so I bussed both my partners D1 and D2 and got stuck solo wolfing till the end (and won) lol.
• Better for the town game? Could’ve trusted my reads more. I managed to bag 5/6 wolves in a single post early in the game without knowing I had done so, and also towncored a widely scumread town player for a while, but went back on some of those reads and towncored a wolf and dropped that one widely scumread player out of my towncore and straight into my PoE cause lol consensus.
  Better for the scum game? Uh, not bussed both my partners immediately. We were screwed because they were both top wagons on D1 and very nearly tied for votes (but Gorta accidentally hammered) and also weren’t counterwagons, so they got chain yeeted as a result. But also, I didn’t have enough distancing interactions, either. People were just not really looking at me because I was doing weirdly useless things in the game and also coasting because town was pushing agenda for me. Think I got a bit lazy and had low WiM because of the long day phases (game lasted 3 months) and having randed wolf 5 times in a row.
• I skimmed very fast and didn’t see anything of note, so I think I completely missed that. Will go back and look for it. I refuse to write it off as towny because I think Marshal is more than capable of keeping her cool as a wagoned wolf. I’ve only seen one wolf game from her, though, and she was not very cool with the wagon (but it wasn’t during the meme phase so lol).
• I would suggest policy voting them out of the game, but that would include myself, so I guess I should self-vote and AtE? This is the way-

Starts off with a decent amount of effort and trying to make herself readable, and the tone feels pretty good throughout

@WindwardAway

Marshal

sulit
Intensify
clonedcheese
Marluxion
DkKoba

I have two preliminary (light) scumleans within this list already from at least two of their posts each.

Im not going to ask you to guess who my scumleans are but I want you to go through the posts up to this point and find one post from each of these players that has wolf potential,if any. If you don’t think any posts from them look wolfy,then say so. (you’re exempted from ISOing yourself unless you feel like pointing out your own wolfiness lol)

Mixed feelings on this
On one hand
it’s individually pretty bad, but it was able to spark lots of discussion and she didn’t try and shade anyone in it or use it as a base to vote anyone else later on, which is a good look

@WindwardAway

I give up on this tbh, I was pulling bullshit out of my ass because it was almost 3 am and I was FPSing even though I thought it would be fairly obvious I didn’t and shouldn’t actually have solid reads.

bonk
i was aware of this but still
bonk

@WindwardAway

It’s also stupid because it doesn’t look like anyone answered, unless the forum just skipped a chunk of posts on me?

Don’t feel like a great amount of anger in this or any attempt to show a great amount of anger
just
mild annoyance, but it feels genuine

@WindwardAway

Eh, what I wrote above. But also as Sulit said there was close to nothing (but still something) in there. I do find it worth noting that Sulit thinks it’s performative of me and yet she was literally in my list. I think I have something else worth noting in Sulit now but I gotta check something because it’s possible I skimmed too quickly and misread.

This is a good piece of insight that shows she’s actually looking at thread
I do want to know where you stand on sulit atm, Wind, after EoD1 and her low activity today

@WindwardAway

Also, Sulit, the last time you tunnelled me from D1 I was a town PR lol

The time before that I was actually a wolf

But that’s been literally all games you’ve played with me, you always tunnel me regardless of my alignment.

This feels mildly in bad faith?
its how i played whatever card misc that we played where we made champions
control the narrative and then go “and this is why im right”
i dont do that in games because i think its really fucking stupid

@WindwardAway

Think this is an interesting response to my post, though, given that I asked for quotes and not for reads, but you gave your reads anyway

Worth noting that she didn’t make any real read on Koba from this
just noted it and moved on

@WindwardAway

Ok now I see cloned’s post lol. Oddly enough I think this is slightly towny coming from him. I don’t think Sulit was towny for jumping to scumread me and saying I made a weird post, but I think Cloned jumping to read it as a rule of 3 is like… too easy to default to, and that as a wolf he might avoid making a post like this. It’s not reading me off what I posted in terms of content or tone or weirdness of the post in general, but just a default rule like “if nobody else is scummier let’s just yeet Wind” which, although it could be setting me up for a future ML, is actually not pushing agenda (and I think sulits reaction to my post is within agenda range).

I disagree on the cloned part
it feels like it’s wacky enough that the exact only two scenarios where he does it is as W/W with you or as town

@WindwardAway

I think sulits reaction is OMGUS but not sure if it’s agenda. I don’t like that she didn’t answer anything I asked about and also didn’t comment on the player list but just voted me probably for listing her within my “scumlean??” list and didn’t add commentary on anyone including herself.

I think Intensify had a somewhat towny reaction, I don’t know why I said he was speculating on neutrals cause I just remembered there aren’t any in this game and he made a joke (oops) lol.
I think Cloned had a fairly towny reaction because he put me on the back burner as possible wolf just by the rule of 3 and didn’t jump to point out anything directly scummy in my post? Now that I think about it, though, it’s slightly notable that I also put him on my list and he said I might be scum. I don’t think his reaction reads as an OMGUS like sulits does,but I guess I should factor that in more than I did up to this point.

can follow the thoughts in this, none of these feel like crazy leaps, although i admit i didnt reread the entire 400 post window lol

@WindwardAway

Exactly, I am producing “meaningless” content and letting you read me on it, because in turn I can read you off it by how you interpret my posts. I’m not generating content that’s useful for you; I’m generating content that’s useful for me. Some of it should be AI but you’re failing to see it if you think it’s entirely meaningless.

This is pure LAMIST
Just “i’m playing optimally as town” is the tone of the entire paragraph

@WindwardAway

I’d actually like to ask you why you don’t find it scummy.

pfft
headpat

@WindwardAway

I don’t want to get towncored. I’m not going to go out of my way to obvtown myself when I can let you actually do the work and read me.

i wanna go back and read wind’s last towngame
because this sounds bitter beyond imagining
just screeching “DO. BETTER.”
i think this comes from a towny mindset unless there’s no real reason from it
problem is
i dont super feel like rereading franxx after all of this lol

@WindwardAway

But yeah, i said my post was BS and for the sake of testing people, and I stand by it. That wasn’t really a readlist; I just picked 6 players who had posted something so I could solve a small group of them first. Take that as you will.

I feel like this should be AI, but for some reason my brain isn’t thinking about it whatsoever
im not sure what this means

@WindwardAway

(I made up another excuse for myself lol)

But yeah, fire away on questions cause I’ll be around more or less for a little longer, then probably sign off for a while again

I give up on reading people right now, I’m not gonna read into posts until later if I survive the day. I’d prefer not to die and I don’t think I’m top wagon yet anyway, but I guess if I get hammered somehow before EoD then I don’t actually have reads worth sheeping btw. You can ignore everything I said earlier and just read me off my tone and behavior because it’s very effective, as I’m sure you know. I was only saying not to ignore my reads, with the assumption I make serious reads before I die, but I don’t feel like doing that right now and I don’t particularly care whether you like it or not. I’m reading at my own pace.

I don’t like this post and I honestly can’t really figure out why
something about it just seems wrong
but when i read it through it just seems a bit more ramble-y than usual

@WindwardAway

@clonedcheese

can i ask for your reasoning behind making this post
[/quote]

Wasn’t that part of a larger post? My flavor is Genji lol

i need healing

@WindwardAway

Eventually I will

I don’t intend to high post, though, and if it directly gets me killed that’s everyone else’s fault and not mine.

… meh. My problem with this is that I just-
hnnnnnng
i feel like I’m maybe expecting too much out of Wind here? Just
i understand youre trying to have a chill game, babe, but youre doing stuff like this where youre constantly going “you READ me” and now “I’ll make reads later” and just
internal screaming

@WindwardAway

Anyone care to explain why there are two completely opposite interpretations of comparing that game to this one? I mean yeah, of course it’s a different game and the context probably makes a huge difference, but what exactly are you guys seeing?

what do YOU think about it
now that Marl has flipped town
do you think Esooa/sulit were reading in bad faith? Which interpretation do you think is more correct? I didn’t read that Katastrophe or follow it so shrug

@WindwardAway

Anyway, does anyone feel like talking about a topic that doesn’t focus on me? It’s productive for me to read you off your discussion on my slot but it’s not at all useful for me to discuss my own slot.

this doesn’t feel right when combined with the earlier bit
you want people to read you but you dont want to put in the effort to be read
and then this doesn’t line up with your actions afterward, which are decent effort and just
headdesk

@WindwardAway

Eh, I don’t want to produce meaningful content when I have nothing to contribute and I’m too distracted. I only give reads if my head is in the game,and thus far it hasn’t been. I’m here to have fun in my free time, not to get pressured into solving the game on D1 or else I’m scum. Why the fuck does everyone expect me to produce meaningful content when the last time I gave slow but completely accurate reads, and low posted, I got misyeeted?

this lines up with the last bit
sigh

this feels so wrong
this entire ISO is just a mixture of me going “why isnt she doing more” and “am i expecting too much from her?”

@WindwardAway

slanking

topposter.jpeg

@WindwardAway

It can come from me as either alignment but I expect everyone to figure me out by the rest of my posts. If not toDay, later in the game. And you guys can be wrong and I won’t take personal offense. But I’m trying to get you to pay attention to something and except for like, 3 or 4 of you, you’re all reacting exactly as I’d expect people to react if they’re not actually reading into things enough. I’m not just handing out free reads to people because they want me to. I’m giving something to evaluate me on, and receiving something to evaluate them on.

I don’t expect that people think all of my posts are definitely AI one way or another, I don’t expect people to believe anything I’ve said thus far about what I’ve been doing in this game, but I am using the information for myself and hoping someone else will also use it to read others by their treatment of my slot and whether they’re just pressuring me or actually pushing me.

Bottom line is,I don’t care if I’m scumread. You are absolutely correct that some of my posts can come from scum but possibly also town. I’m more suspicious of people who think I don’t have ANY posts that lean in a certain direction. I’m being manipulative in the thread and trying to control the game by taking a backseat and watching the reactions. I managed to start what seems like a pretty hot debate on my slot and it’s produced a hell of a lot of content that is definitely AI. I’ve done my job already as town so it’s up to you guys to find me.

This is tonally and cognitively consistent all the way through, and with what she’s said so far
but the problem is, the entire plan is -EV for town
and im really starting to wonder what the fuck wind’s plan for this game was

@WindwardAway

Tbh I still think Intensify is town

I can’t give you detailed reasons for it, sorry
It’s a lot of very small things that I think equate to being towny

this comes from town more often than scum i feel
but this is like, the first time she’s explicitly stated a read which also makes me want to headdesk
youre doing towny scummy things and scummy towny things, wind
why why why
w h y

@WindwardAway

Oh I’m not worried about what it did for me

But I can see wolves grasping onto my posts for very minor reasons and pushing pretty hard so lol
I can definitely see at least two town tunnelling me and definitely not agenda pushing
I’m building a readlist and you guys are just gonna have to put up with my responses until I’ve solved enough to want to publicly share everything.

Anyway, what’s with the push for being useful by giving half-baked reads? Reads that are incomplete aren’t useful. I have some more than half-baked reads and I gave them, and the only thing I get back is “wind is scum” for shallow reasons.

I feel like this is a bit too strong and isn’t really reflected in her play
but she’s also stated multiple times she’s just trying to find town
and that is reflected here
so its >rand town but going back to my internal monologue of “what the fuckwhat the fuckwhat the fuckWhat The FuckWHAT THE FU-”

@WindwardAway

I think I know what eevee is on about so no, I don’t actually see anything contradictory from him. I do partly agree with the first part of what you said,that he hasn’t legitimately taken a stance on my alignment yet,but unlike the lot of you who are pushing me immediately as the "best vote so far unless someone scummier shows up"and then not even finding anyone scummier, eevee is giving me time to produce content that is AI. I think he is probably solving but he’s not rushing to solve. His posts don’t stick out to me as super AI, either, but he obviously isn’t pushing agenda and everyone can clearly see that. If he’s a wolf, he is definitely not the one powerwolfing.

hmm
i was going to say that my issue with this was that she didnt come to a conclusion
but it actually makes a decent amount of sense in the context of eevee.jpeg and what im perceiving to be her attitude towards this game

@WindwardAway

It means I’m not townreading you at the moment

Not really townleaning either but yeah, I think you get the point
You’re in the flexible zone of “could go either way” but I’m trying to not make a dumb read on you this time.

This hedge doesn’t really feel too great
but I have been deliberately playing incredibly stupidly so I suppose its fair?
not in a slayer’s gambit type of way
uh
think whatever you want about this

@WindwardAway

Town

@WindwardAway

You asked for a GTH read

@WindwardAway

I don’t have a read on you but I’m not going to GTH scumread you and then confbias myself into tunnelling you without even evaluating properly

so this is definitely good at the start but
the end seems a bit… out of place?

@WindwardAway

Nah I’ve seen it happen in reaction tests

and then this is tonally off
im not sure if wind is intentionally trying to interact with me oddly but i wouldnt put it past her

@WindwardAway

He wasn’t frozen in his last two scum games

he did get frozen as town lol
I don’t have a read on him at the moment though

@WindwardAway

He froze in the Thing game when I agenda’d him out at EoD1

this is a good look with eli flipping town
she has no reason to provide this meta, especially since nobody else was bringing it up
the fact that she also doesn’t condemn or clear him off it whilst bringing it up or… ever use it for cred, as far as I can see, is also a good look

@WindwardAway

Yeah this is actually why I’m having a bit of a hard time figuring out who I’m going to vote today. I think a lot of people have the potential to clear themselves if given another day, but most people’s reasoning has been… Not great, even if I can sort of follow it. There are definitely players I wouldn’t touch today, so I guess my readlist is just a “not wagoning today vs. not opposed to wagoning today” list.

Makes Sense™

@WindwardAway

Not sure it feels like a bus

Definitely doesn’t feel like the same kind of bus that Aelin pulled on Wisp in Darling in the Franxx

small reminder that i wasnt actually aware Wiisp was scum for the entirety of D1 of Franxx, so that’s definitely not the best place to read me for bussing meta

overall her interaction with cloned is pretty good but feels slightly condescending
which unfortunately matches up with her tone throughout the game pretty well
not going to quote the entire thing because it would be a lame wall

@WindwardAway

Not voting these people out today:

Marl
Intensify
sulit
Marshal
eevee
ATN
Uni
cloned
SkyRED (only because I want to see more content from them)

Not opposed to wagoning today:
Eli
Aelin
Nether
DkKoba
PKR

This is in playerlist order btw, not tiered reads. I can’t exactly say that the bottom category is my PoE, but those are people I wouldn’t be opposed to voting out today, with the reservation that my opinion might change later on. The players in the top category are those I either townread or want to give another day before deciding if they warrant a vote (even if I don’t currently townread them).

hm
my main problem with this is that
she hadnt really interacted with koba recently, and i havent seen her interact with nether or pkr recently either
and this goes against what shes been preaching all game
admittedly nether and pkr have both been weird but

@WindwardAway

did I miss someone in that list? or did Esooa replace in for someone? I copied the playerlist from the OP…

this might be stupid but im just gonna say wind prob not w/w with esooa or wazza

@WindwardAway

Eli is still within the range of being a wolf, and if Aelin actually is scum I guess I could buy the possibility of a bus. If Aelin is town and is just really confident in her ability to read Eli then I guess we probably bag a wolf anyway.

this does not make sense
i dont understand this at all
its just
aghhhhhhhhhhhh
it feels like such a sudden jump despite the fact that i didnt even actually make a read on Eli
i just said “hes scum, trust me” a bunch of times
by the way, its both hilarious and terrifying that you guys literally just went “ok” and four of you voted him
and she isnt saying why eli is in his wolfrange

@WindwardAway

I’ve done this in a few games and apparently it’s considered gamethrowing, but sometimes encouraging people to pick out scummy things in my ISO and give their explanations allows me to read them off of their logic. If they can come up with reasons that I haven’t thought of that make my posts look scummy, they’re actually usually town. However, if the only thing they can use to case me is consensus reasoning or very surface-level thoughts that prove they didn’t read into the meat of my posts, their alignment can go either way (and often ties into how much effort they’re putting into the game as well).

headdesk
this is a good, towny tone
but its not Wind’s tone
like
i enjoy tonereads
but none of this lines up
like
her tone is as straight as a goddamn valknut

@WindwardAway

You know what, you’re right, I’m not even contributing anything to the thread so I might as well leave. I don’t want you to preflip me as a wolf and incorrectly association read other people off my slot. Vote me out if you truly think the game is going to be more solvable once I flip. Even if you hard scumread me, consider what information my flip gives when I flip town. I’ll save you guys the trouble of reading my apparently useless posts, and not post again until D2 if I’m still alive, and at this rate I expect I will be. Good luck!

headdesks
w.h.a.t.t.h.e.f.u.c.k.
w h a t t h e f u c k
ww hh aa tt tt hh ee ff uu cc kk
headdesk intensifies

@WindwardAway

One of the things that’s bothering me in this game is that I know I’ve found a couple of townies but that they aren’t reading to their full capacity, or they aren’t looking at everything they should be looking at.

I want to see where your towncore is at, because I’ve been noticing a lot of this too
just a bunch of stuff that wolves wouldnt think of doing or saying, but theyre going about things in terrible ways
the rest of this post is entirely condescending and at this point my mood is honestly getting super dragged down by reading this ISO just because everything is so fucking annoying because it feels like every other word is a demonstration of a superiority complex

@WindwardAway

I do feel like she was indirectly pushing for people to give reads even if they weren’t ready to, or at least for eevee to (and maybe that was all)

do you think that this in particular is towny or scummy
whats your read overall on Esooa?

@WindwardAway

I am also almost never voting eevee

hmph.
my problem with this is that
eevee has in no way towncleared himself
hes done absolutely nothing that is 1) extremely AI, or 2) out of his wolfrange, which is actually decently large when he has high WiM

@WindwardAway

has it ever occurred to you that this will look stupid once I flip? I’m not going to survive until endgame so just assume I’m going to flip before LyLo, and when I do, I will flip town.

terrible tone
god i want to shoot this post
especially with her recent interactions with cloned

@WindwardAway

oh he was

Koba said there was a wolf between Marl/Marshal/Intensify and someone else said there was a wolf between Marl/Marshal/someone else, I can’t believe I already forgot who said it and who the third one was because i made a post asking about it and nobody even replied to it.

mood
emotion here is real, much more real than what ive been seeing recently from her
it seems a lot of her headspace is focused around “fuck you, do better”

@WindwardAway

I’m ok with focusing on these four (including me) today.

im not really sure i understand this
because she literally forgot wazza existed for much of the game, she seems a bit flip-floppy on Koba, and then it’s her and I

@WindwardAway

I feel like regardless of Marshal’s alignment this has a pretty high chance of containing all villagers, maybe cause I agree with the vast majority of this list and could pretty easily be convinced to sheep.

villagery thought
lines up with progression on marissa
but also tells me she didnt follow through with reading her overnight
but it’s also meh because lol!koba

@WindwardAway

I don’t think tying the wagons for funnies is the wolfiest thing in the world; I’ve seen a lot of townies do it.

theres no scum motivation to tie wagons
of course, there’s no town motivation either
but i wouldnt say its scummy for wazza OR sulit

@WindwardAway

so you think Aelin is scummier for the Eli flip, rather than less scummy? Wondering since you agreed with Marl’s theory that Aelin could’ve been bussing Eli yesterDay.

this is good™
like… really good
ayaya
wind how do you stand on your own post here, considering youre scumreading me now too

@WindwardAway

I might vote for her later if I don’t think her posts have much of a wow factor to them

my posts havent had a wow factor all game
until now, i guess
fuck you for making me do this
i blame you specifically
this is a joke ily

@WindwardAway

I also don’t know if she would’ve staked her own life on a D1 easy ML unless she’s exactly a goon.

i enjoy living far too much for that tbh tbh
its why i bussed wiisp in franxx - chloe pointed out that we werent pushing on each other hard enough, and i was semi-PoE, so I went “fuck this” and thunderdomed him
we all know how that turned out
if im a wolf, this play simply Does Not Make Sense™
if im a wolf I:

• get a kill on a low activity player who isnt great at reading anyway
• become perpetual PoE
• provide spew on my scummates when i flip
• cant be bussed for towncred because of my PoE status

it just doesnt make sense for me to do this whatsoever
it doesnt make sense as town either but im gonna have to ask you to shutthefuckupaboutthat

@WindwardAway

because Aelin is guaranteed to face pressure for the entirety of D2 due to her push on Eli, I don’t need to fan the flames even harder. What I don’t want happening is that the entire thread focuses on solving Aelin, confbiases themselves either way, and lets other slots go under the radar because they’re hyperfocused on a single slot.

the irony

@WindwardAway

The thing is that he’s been ML’d a lot recently as town and this early in the game I could easily see lowposting being lack of motivation due to being wagoned incorrectly so many times in a row, as opposed to being a wolf who’s coasting on D1.

cognitively consistent with earlier posting
however, she said that she wasnt against wagoning him, and i dont really like the fact that she hasnt really taken a super definite stance on him despite her semi-focus on him

@WindwardAway

exactly, I was in his towncore so I should be the first to yeet!

this entire interaction with me felt super pure and just finally her starting to chill out
also about the time she started deciding to scumread me but oh well, what am i gonna do, cry about it?

@WindwardAway

I kind of have the feeling Koba is town but I’m not sure why

and if that’s true then I have too many townleans already

see this is weird for two reasons

1. why koba town
   please expand on this
2. i thought you were trying to get townleans and townreads this game specifically
   are you saying that youre townreading 11 others players, or?

@WindwardAway

but we wouldn’t know for sure unless you do end up hard pushed later on

so where do you stand on this now?
ive decidedly been hard-pushed at this point
you are part of said push
i am… not being defended at all , actually. You were my only defender.

@WindwardAway

/vote Aelin

Screw it, I changed my mind on Aelin again
If you think I’m a wolf then help me bus my partner

@WindwardAway

This is, in part, because of something I noticed that Cloned kinda brought to my attention

I have like one? light reason for thinking Aelin is town but I have no idea what her read is on me
She’s been interacting with me and I think she said “probably town” but I don’t think she actually gave a reason
And quite honestly, looking back at those posts I can see why someone would think they’re w/w interactions.

I suppose that’s fair, to a degree
I had you as a townlean although I can’t remember myself if I gave an explanation for it
im pretty sure i said something about liking your reaction to my vote on you but i could be misremembering

@WindwardAway

Do you have anything enlightening to convince me not to vote you?

perhaps

TL;DR - first off, fuck you, read it
i didnt spend two hours on this for it to get ignored
Wind is a townlean, if i ever go back and read franxx i could probably come closer to a more certain read in either direction
theres a lot she does thats towny, and a lot that she does thats scummy
Overall, the towny bits are more prominent, and theres a few certain pieces that I don’t think wolves really ever think about, and i dont think any of the scummy bits are especially damning
this should definitely be re-evaluated late-game depending on how her tone changes, if it does
but overall her approach is cognitively consistent and most of her thoughts line up
@WindwardAway please read through, i had questions in a few places and would appreciate your answers

[Aelin]

is that more obvious, cloned?

[clonedcheese]

Wait
So
I read through this

And got “marissa stupid”

Do you think they town or scum

[Aelin]

@clonedcheese

And got “marissa stupid”

thats
not what i said at all??
i think she is scum

[clonedcheese]

I couldnt find that in the wallpost

All your comments were marshal stoopid and i was looking for a big accusation ._.

[clonedcheese]

no not really

[Wazza]

2 hours until EoD right?

[Wazza]

@katze

The day will end at Today 2:00 AM .

nvm it is.