[SFM] Newbie-Friendly Pokèmon 9er - Town Win

[an_gorta_pratai]

@Arctic

gorta’s push mainly involves countering appel’s push on him and from stuff on other games which most of us here can’t really get behind, rather than actually pushing appel because he had a scumread

Did you read the games I linked?

[kiromishiro21]

@clonedcheese

why dont you reveal it publically

If you want … I will not give many details because I wrote it before …

[Arctic]

@an_gorta_pratai

Did you read the games I linked?

i briefly tried to, yes

[clonedcheese]

im too lazy to go find it

[an_gorta_pratai]

Do you know how to use the ISO function?

[YoubutWorse]

theres an iso function

[clonedcheese]

[WindwardAway]

That’s how I’ve been filtering for quotes but then I can’t figure out how to turn off the filter lmao

[Arctic]

@an_gorta_pratai

Do you know how to use the ISO function?

of course
jfc

i read her ISO in corrupt votes

[an_gorta_pratai]

do the same thing

[clonedcheese]

navigate to there again and that button should be saying “Remove filter”

[YoubutWorse]

alright ty for telling me. when people said ISO i thought they were manually going through the posts and just reading them like me

[WindwardAway]

@an_gorta_pratai

I realize that my case is kind of spammy and lacking “evidence”, but I have experience with Appel and know what she can do. I also rely on gut reads quite a bit and that gives the impression of someone making baseless accusations. This case will be a project though, as I have to look over several games to prove my point. The basis of my read is what I said, but I need to put facts behind it.

@an_gorta_pratai

Appel’s handling of my slot

For starters I don’t like how Appel handles my slot.
Like she goes from this

@Appelsiini

Would you believe me if I said I had a secret toneread on you as a wolf

With that said, your tone seems very towny right now

to this

@Appelsiini

Hmm. Nagito is a character from the same game my pfp is from.

@an_gorta_pratai are you here? I was reading a bit and noticed you still hadn’t made the realist.

/vote an_gorta_pratai

Parking my vote here until you do, if you don’t mind.

The thing is pressure votes don’t usually do shit to increase my activity and activity (or the lack thereof) is NAI for my slot, as I can be lazy/unmotivated. Appel knows this as well, which to me looks like she is casting shade on my slot.

@Appelsiini

Readlist + PoE

Silviu
Clonedcheese
Windward
ArcticXI

Min
YouButWorse
kiromishiro
an_gorta_pratai

I also become her number 1 scum at this moment, which is strange because Appel says this a bit later

@Appelsiini

Did you just put my 30-minute wallpost into two sentences right before I posted it

Gorta, are you town after all
I like your reads

and then Appel switches her read on me again

@Appelsiini

You know, I’m not that opposed to moving my vote from Gorta. He’s spent a considerable amount of the day doing nothing yet still trying to appear active, along with the fact that they easily jumped on scumreading Windward.

@an_gorta_pratai

Maybe I am being too soft on newbies

This is the second time I’ve seen you say this. Stop hedging~

@Appelsiini

Keeping* my vote on Gorta. I’m extremely tired.

and then goes

@Appelsiini

Meh. I think you’re a wolf.

Could you write a quick readlist for me to see where you’re at. Just in case?

At this point I made a complete readlist and now for d2

@Appelsiini

It’s 1AM, so don’t expect wallposts from me, but I told you time and time again why Silviu is town. This was disappointing.

I’ll make my full case later, but Gorta is a wolf. He’s an obvious wolf. He quite literally voted his top townread after his top townread claimed PR and pushed for a CFD, which he accepted without question – this feels like TMI. He never even considered the possibility of Cloned lying in order to not be killed.

/vote Gorta

Appel then votes me on d2 and maintains that vote for a long while even after I attempt to explain my own actions and that’s when the real shading starts.

@Appelsiini

I feel like whatever Gorta is going to say about his play at EoD, it’s going to be either AtE (appeal to emotion) or trying to excuse their play somehow. But doing a 180⁰ in the span of mere minutes and voting their strongest townread, led by their strongest scumread, is such a baffling play that I doubt I’m going to believe anything he says.

@an_gorta_pratai

so I am inclined to believe that the claim is either real or he is a wolf faking it.

No, you’re not. You immediately jumped to “Cloned is speaking the truth” mindset, which was consistent until I pointed it out. Do your reads matter to you at all?

[SFM] Newbie-Friendly Pokèmon 9er - Day 2 (7/9)

@Appelsiini

…Because Gorta was actively pushing for a kill in Cloned/Wind, and has, in my opinion, shown TMI that at the very least Cloned is town? While dismissing everyone else in the process?

What makes it a contradiction?

I think so because YBW, as a wolf with Gorta, most likely wouldn’t throw his partner under the bus at the very beginning of the way. There’s not much I have going for you three, I’m planning to focus on you guys next now that I’ve gotten my thoughts out.

@Appelsiini

I’m tired and didn’t plan to talk until tomorrow, but you sure are doing a great job shading me.

“Appel has done this as a wolf”
“Appel has done that as a wolf”

“I screwed up with my vote, but I think Appel is a wolf for scumreading me”

Your whole argument is based on how I’m supposedly in my wolf range, rather than actually finding me wolfy – save for my push on you. It irritates me.

@Appelsiini

Once again, great job shading me. This argument, in its very core, is: “Appel has done something as town, something weird happened so Appel is a wolf wolf wolf”

On an unrelated note, this seems like you know exactly why Min was killed, as you obviously seem to know that me being a wolf is the omly possible reason. I’m too tired for this

@Appelsiini

Thank you, you just contradicted yourself.

You hold the players to such a low standard that you don’t think they will be able to do a slightly less obvious nightkill.

But you’re also saying you hold them to a high enough standard to figure out Min was killed in order to make you look worse – which didn’t happen, by the way. Cloned was the one to point out how the nightkill made you look worse.

@Appelsiini

Yup. But you’re still saying newbies could only figure it out if they happen to be town, huh. I wonder why~?

By the way, did you notice you’ve been scumslipping this entire time? As much as you like to push your Scum!Appel agenta, you’ve completely failed to consider a world where Cloned makes that nightkill. You’ve been showing your TMI on Cloned this whole time. I’m literally done trying to consider the 0.1% where you’re just a town who made a baffling mistake.

and they start thinking I am a bad towny?

@Appelsiini

You know, maybe that’s a sign. I wish you luck with your project, but it all boils down to “this is in Appel’s wolfrange” and nothing more.

YBW’s behavior is making me confident they’re not W/W with Gorta, so I might actually be wrong here unless the scumteam is exactly Gorta and Arctic/Kiro. I might be willing to re-evaluate and read over.

…Well, that’s what I was originally going to do after I would’ve talked with Arctic and Kiro as well. Too bad that got completely ignored, huh?

@Appelsiini

/unvote

Unvoting, for now.

@Appelsiini

I’m trying my best to word things nicely here. Sometimes it seems impossible for me to understand someone’s mindset, but that doesn’t necessarily mean it’s not genuine.

With that said
If I can’t see a T!Gorta perspective no matter how hard I try, I’m going to be angry with you

after this point Appel goes back to shading and misunderstanding the things I say

@Appelsiini

I’m currently reading people’s ISOs, but I just realized that I was tired and not thinking straight – Gorta was still showing TMI on Cloned this whole time, because even though Cloned visited Wind, he could have just told their teammate who to kill.

@an_gorta_pratai are you done with your case?

@Appelsiini

…What?

You just completely avoided my question. What does my meta read have anything to do with you not considering such a simple world where wolf!Cloned could have made that kill?

@Appelsiini

This was some time after I made my wallpost. Interesting. Did you forget your own thought process, too?

@Appelsiini

Those would be “considering possibilities other than the one you’re pushing.” Before you start arguing, the point wasn’t that there might be an explanation for it because you yourself said you forgot – which is essentially admitting that you hadn’t given much thought to it.

the odd thing is that they flip back to the belief that I am a “bad towny”

@Appelsiini

From looking at ISOs, I have concluded that Gorta can only be a wolf if their teammate is Arctic unless there is distancing going on – in that case, it could still be Kiro or YBW, but I heavily doubt it.

But truth to be told: Gorta has shown such narrow thought process, making a mistake after mistake, not thinking about things which can also be an indication of confbias – but I feel like I shouldn’t be giving them countless, countless of excuses in order to say “okay, maybe they’re not a wolf.” But sometimes life doesn’t work like that, so I would still like to consider it.

@WindwardAway since you were more focused on YBW, do you think there’s a possibility where Gorta is just… a bad town?

@Appelsiini

I’m seriously trying to take the mindset of “Gorta is town here.”

Gorta, have you looked at my Day 1? Why do you think I have done the things I did? You haven’t talked about that at all, which is a bit concerning. If you’re so confident on your scumread, surely you’ll be able to explain all of it. Right?

Appel throwing shade on the prs

I also get the vibe that Appel was trying to throw sus in between the two and get one of them out after me

@Appelsiini

The fact that you had this answer immediately ready is a bit

What do you have to say for yourself? I think you should fullclaim here.

@Appelsiini

If we miscuddle someone here, we still have one more chance. I don’t think Cloned would therefore go for a 1v1, unless he’s trying to save Gorta here somehow.

@Appelsiini

All I have for Windward is a toneread, so now I’m wondering if I’m misclearing them. All their actions so far haven’t been out of question for scum. With that said, the toneread is very strong, and I’m not sure if she could fake it that well – but they also do have experience on other sites.

Focusing on the claim, I think it makes her townier. Immediately confirming her accuser is an interesting risk to take if they they’re a wolf – especially since we’re talking about a PR.

Appel is a very capable wolf and usually keeps bad townies alive and tries to let the town fight each other till they lose. In one game she didn’t kill everyones top townread to cast doubt on said person. This factors in with what I have above. If you want additional reading I linked 3 town and 3 scum Appel games

additional reading

Corrupt Votes FM - Day 6 (3/15) - Town wins by voting out town mafia
Watch Your Mouth!: Sophomore Year (3/17) - Day 5 - Planters (Mafia) Win! mafia
[FoL] Forum of Lies 29 - OVER (9/18) - CULT FOOL WIN mafia
Wild West FM - Day 5 - Mafia Win! ~ town
[Misc] Airlock (Aliens Win) ~ town
Dreaming Gods and Dreaming Titans FM - Game Over [5/24] - Bellerophon and Pegasus Win! ~ town game

Here ya go. I did you a favor.

[Arctic]

kiro i think you should make your vote intention clear as soon as possible
we don’t want another last second fuck-up

[WindwardAway]

wtf did that un-collapse the topics? whoops

[kiromishiro21]

@Arctic

kiro i think you should make your vote intention clear as soon as possible
we don’t want another last second fuck-up

Well if you want …

[YoubutWorse]

BTW day doesnt end at at the hour, it ends 10 minutes after. just reminding everyone

[kiromishiro21]

Basically the cloned team is worse … And he was very noob and gave himself away for not knowing how to control his emotions and wanted to kill appel too fast when gorta pressed him. He literally supported gorta who was his scum…So I don’t have much more to say … I said it before. It’s the o gorta supposedly. Because they can’t be a team. If we kill him and he’s scum it’ll be fine. If it’s not … it’s gorta … that’s what I think right now

[an_gorta_pratai]

That’s how it works, just quote select parts

[clonedcheese]

I still have no idea who you want to kill