| Vote Target | Voted By | Votes |
|---|---|---|
| thepigeonnyc | Clownzu | 1/7 |
| Marluxion | clonedcheese | 1/7 |
| Whysper | WindwardAway, thepigeonnyc, Marluxion, Vulgard, January, Nuclear_Rehab, City | 7/7 |
| clonedcheese | Whysper | 1/7 |
| Clownzu | Zone_Q11 | 1/7 |
| Nuclear_Rehab | min | 1/7 |
| Not Voting | EliThePsycho | 1 |
An excerpt from the official history textbook of the Human Empire, Year Six.
Although the imposition of martial law was designed to persecute humans residing in Talion, Talionās long-term residents primarily used it against other elves in Talion. Furthermore, they did not fairly consider the evidence both for and against the victims of their action. In the Human Empire, courts are required to meet the standard of Preponderance of the Evidence in order to convict someone of a crime, which requires that the evidence against them outweigh the evidence in their favor. In the Talion Trials, those accused were instead required to prove their own innocence, and presumed guilty if they failed to do so.
One example of the lack of consideration for due process in Talion is the case of Sylmare, the second elf to die in the Talion Trials. Sylmare was fifty-three years old at the time of the Talion Trials. (At the time, the traditional age of adulthood in Alva was one hundred years old.) However, two days after the start of the Talion Trials, she successfully and publicly cast a Fireguidance Spell. The surviving records are unclear on exactly why this is viewed as suspicious, but the leading theory is that she had previously struggled with that spell in her classes, and she was therefore suspected of being a human imposter taking advantage of their magical prowess.
Despite the fact that she was still a child by the standards of their culture, the residents of Talion made no allowances for her age in their punishment. She was publicly executed, and even the revelation that she was innocent did not cause the residents of Talion to rethink their policy of martial law.
Comprehension Questions
- What standard of evidence is used in legal proceedings in the Human Empire?
- How old was Sylmare when she was killed by the elves living in Talion? Why was this age significant?
- What factors led to Sylmareās death?
Discussion Questions
- How does the requirement that courts in the Human Empire adhere by the standard of Preponderance of the Evidence exemplify the Empireās values of fairness and justice?
- Do you think that children should be punished for crimes in the same ways as adults? Why or why not?
- Was Talionās requirement that those accused of crimes prove their innocence fair? How might this requirement unfairly disadvantage some people?
An excerpt from the most popular history textbook of the Province of Alva, typically used for children between the ages of forty and fifty.
Part 6: Alva Responds
Key Terms: Councilor, Tannatar and Maiele, Lower Council, curfew, Telepathic Message
A turning point in the Gold Rush period came when the two heirs to a minor Councilor were killed in the invasion. Tannatar and Maiele, heirs to Councilor Fanora, were visiting Talion long-term in order to supervise the ongoing projects. It is unknown whether their social standing contributed to the decision to kill them; however, they were both found dead in their manor, with Tannatar having seemingly been killed by a Firetouch Curse and Maiele having been killed by a Breathsnatcher Charm.
As a result of their deaths, the Lower Council began to treat the invading humans as a serious threat. Whereas previously the situation in Talion was regarded as an isolated incident of violence, the Lower Council realized that it posed a serious threat to Talion and to all of Alva. As a result, they implemented several restrictions in an attempt to preserve the safety of Talion, such as implementing a nightly curfew and requiring all citizens to submit detailed personal information to the Lower Council via a Telepathic Message spell. Additionally, they began preparations to send a delegation of trained mindreaders to Talion. As Talion was warded against teleportation, however, the Lower Council expected it to take days or weeks before the mindreaders reached Talion.
Practical Connection!
Prior to the Gold Rush invasion, the Breathsnatcher Charm was legal for use in self-defense and hunting, although using it as part of an assault or murder was not allowed. However, after the deaths of Tannatar and Maiele, the Legislative Council revisited those laws, and ultimately determined that the Breathsnatcher Charm served no legitimate purpose that could not be accomplished by equally simple and less lethal spells. As a result, in 2761, the Breathsnatcher Charm was made illegal in all circumstances. Its use now carries a presumption of intent to do violence.
Try it at home!
The Lower Council still exists today, and regularly receives letters from constituents. Look up who the Representative of Children is on the Lower Council, and try sending them a letter about an issue thatās important to you. Then, answer the following questions:
1. What did you write to your Councilor about? Why did you choose that issue?
2. Many countries do not have any sort of representation for children. How does the Representative of Children help ensure that all elves have a voice in our government?
3. How does the division between the Lower Council, Upper Council, and Legislative Council allow Councilors to better carry out their duties?
Note: The order in which the deaths were listed was determined at random.
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[VFM] Elf Gold Rush - Night 2 (12/15) - #272 by WindwardAway
Opener - by coming in with āwelp Warrior Catsā, sets up an easy point of suspicion without having to do much
If anyone has seen me in Warrior Cats I didnāt act that different from any one of my games lol
In addition, light TMI on leafia by calling her town because im scummy
[VFM] Elf Gold Rush - Night 2 (12/15) - #327 by WindwardAway
finding an excuse to continue that scumread on me - itās not really consequential that im acting bold in the beginning of the game, so itās really weird for them to continuously push on this for so long
even after they supposedly understand where im coming from, they still throw shade at my supposed wolfiness
[VFM] Elf Gold Rush - Night 2 (12/15) - #1594 by WindwardAway
[VFM] Elf Gold Rush - Night 2 (12/15) - #1595 by WindwardAway
She maintains an extremely iffy attitude on leafia, yet somehow has a strong conviction about seeing TMI; she never bothers to show anyone the posts she thought were TMI-y.
Similar strategy here to her opener; both leafia and i have been scum in recent games with apparently visible differences, all windās doing here is saying that we have those traits when in actuality we donāt
[VFM] Elf Gold Rush - Night 2 (12/15) - #2145 by WindwardAway
Casually drops in a silviu read in the middle of talking about marl/vulgard and leafia with no explanation - seeing a pattern?
Then when confronted:
[VFM] Elf Gold Rush - Night 2 (12/15) - #2149 by WindwardAway
Again, an extremely light read.
Now here we see a ML setup chain, off of one post:
[VFM] Elf Gold Rush - Night 2 (12/15) - #2153 by Silviu200530
[VFM] Elf Gold Rush - Night 2 (12/15) - #2155 by WindwardAway
[VFM] Elf Gold Rush - Night 2 (12/15) - #2157 by Silviu200530
[VFM] Elf Gold Rush - Night 2 (12/15) - #2160 by WindwardAway
[VFM] Elf Gold Rush - Night 2 (12/15) - #2166 by WindwardAway
[VFM] Elf Gold Rush - Night 2 (12/15) - #2167 by Silviu200530
[VFM] Elf Gold Rush - Night 2 (12/15) - #2168 by Silviu200530
[VFM] Elf Gold Rush - Night 2 (12/15) - #2179 by WindwardAway
Town!Silviu makes the comment that āmaybe leafia pushed on marl/vulgard cuz she was just annoyedā - the wording itself, stating that leafia āfound them scummy,ā comes from someone whoās doubtful that leafiaās scum, especially combined with starting the post with āI thinkā
But Wind somehow morphs this into a town!leafia TMI from silviu (aided by leafia who knows their alignment), which w!windward would know of already; thus, by stretching the logic here she basically sets up an ML along the lines of āleafiaās gonna flip soon, I can chain silviu onto thisā
And later, they continue to frame silviu in a bad light, with extremely farfetched logic. In response to this post:
[VFM] Elf Gold Rush - Night 2 (12/15) - #2185 by Silviu200530
which is clearly āI only agree with some parts cuz thatās how I usually play,ā wind just goes āwhateverā and votes silviu. And later when trying to explain themselves further during D2, wind claims that silviu somehow ādodged their scumreadā; itās clear from silviuās post that they didnāt really understand windās point and was talking from their own pov, which again adds to the weirdness of the accusations against silviu
And although they do discuss other slots over the course of D2, they just continue to coast on this logic:
[VFM] Elf Gold Rush - Night 2 (12/15) - #3171 by WindwardAway
Their case slowly becomes āsilviu is just scummyā and in their wallposts they donāt really show the āTMIā they claim silviu has D1
I didnāt really read through windās wall on silviu before and just went with it since whysper was being weird to me; in hindsight, I shouldāve looked through a little more and made sure that the initial case was accurate
Sorry Whysper
Shouldāve just taken you for the pure soul you are ._.
TL;DR: wind plops down scumreads on people and doesnāt explain them: on me, leafia, and silviu, successfully executing 2 of them
/vote Wind
top of the playerlist to the bottom before any voting or hinting at roles we need to claim
HOW MANY TIMES DID I NEED TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT I PEEKED PIGEON
YOU ABSOLUTE PEPEGAS
ugh
By the way, Iām claiming last. Iām gonna CC someone who claims my role if they do.
basically everyone alive is now in my poe
this will do nothing but help me sort this game
