[VFM] JoaT^2 - (6/15) - 😹 Pirates (Town) Win!

[ash4fun]

@Elephas

I would also like you to explain why you townread me, CatLover, and Flameo for solving? Solving in itself should not be considered alignment-indicative, as strong wolves are able to have “solvey energy.” I’d like you to focus on the how and why rather than the what .

ope, forgot this part

I guess for day 1, before any flips whatsoever, I tr people that look like they’re genuinely solving because that’s the sort fo behavior that advances the game at this point. Toward the end of the day, or else D2, I tend to start focusing more on interactions.

[Wisp]

this is not a wolf lol

[Wisp]

@ash4fun
rule of 3 is not something you look at now…
there are 3 wolves, why would my PoE not be 3

[ash4fun]

If you’re referring to my iso of you, I’m pretty sure I did it in 2nd person because that’s how I promised I would make the iso

put it this way:
Promises to make iso of “eevee” -> makes iso of “him”
Promises to “you” to make iso of “you” -> makes iso of “you”

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I was making the iso primarily for myself of course, so tbh I didn’t even notice the person I wrote it in. The above is an attempt to describe my subconsious decision.

[ash4fun]

fair enough but that’s just how it pinged me.

[SirDerpsAlot]

@ash4fun

Catch-up post!

@CRichard564

As far as I can tell, Ash and Mist have shown no reason that makes me believe their push on me is town motivated.

I suppose it’s very difficult to prove at this stage of the game that any action is town motivated. But I don’t feel like it’s necessary before every push to try to prove the above. The action itself is what should be read.

From my pov, I’m trying to hunt down possible wolves, and decided to push an inconsistency.

@CRichard564

Why would Ash town lean me and suddenly push me if he were town?

In what world would town Ash pushing me make sense?

You seem to be having trouble reading me. I said clearly that the TL was a 10s gut read off tone, and new information causes a change. Maybe it’s opportunistic. But tbh I think it would be inconsistent of me to not change my reads as the game progresses.

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@ChopChop

I’m going to be absolutely obnoxious this game and mess around

I mean, you’re not wrong. If everything you’re doing is part of a fun>teamwork strategy, I suppose that makes bad play NAI.
Except I refuse to accept that nothing you’re doing is AI, so I’ll read you for what you’re doing, regardless.

@ChopChop

@TrustworthyLiberal is Aligned with Town !

iirc TWL was rather commonly townread… a bit curious ig, doesn’t seem genuine.

@ChopChop

I’m informed/offered something Day 1 and then I choose someone else every night to receive Informed or an Offer

Creative claim. I have trouble believing that you think claiming D1 is a good idea under not-right-about-to-be-cuddled circumstances. Your supposed action works D1 and N1,2,3…?

@ChopChop

Centuries, Me and TWL should be Town Core.

@ChopChop

We mechanically Confirm each other

It’s my understanding that mech clearing has caused town to lose a fair number of games here… yet you argue you should be towncore’d for it? I guess it’s a logical extension of your (pretty bad) attempt at cop cover, but still…

@ChopChop

I feel like [CRich and Ash]

Should be in the lynch pool today but shouldn’t be the only options.
I feel like we should make a lynch pool of roughly (5-9) people and choose from there.

this is fine.

@ChopChop

Let’s actually nominate people for the lynch pool.

I think this is a cool mechanic we can try for this amazing FM game @Marshal is giving us!

doesn’t really do anything if anyone can nominate.
if nominations have to be approved, well that’s a whole 'nother issue. Who approves it? You? You could be scum gating everybody from voting deepwolves. Top townies? We’re fallible too, silencing people, right or wrong, only helps scum.

@ChopChop

So we can lower the amount of people scum have to mislynch we throw 5-9 people in a lynch pool.

FTFY

@ChopChop

No.

Don’t claim unless your top wagon.

@ChopChop

Or the counter wagon

I don’t suppose you caught the glaring hypocrisy here?

@ChopChop

LynchPool

CRichard
Ash
Estel

This isn’t the only pool you proposed, but you proposing lynch pools that are incredibly restrictive, and not consensus in any way does literally nothing to help town.

@ChopChop

We are not lynching someone based upon how much or how little info they have provided but rather for their SR and the spews they can give.

I made a Lynch Pool so scum can’t have any lynch they desire.

first sentence good
lynch pool literally does nothing but restrict townies. Scum can push mislyches even with your littlest pool. Town gets astronomically less information if voting is restricted this way.

@ChopChop

Exactly.

No Spews is bad.

providing content =/= town, but…
wolf is wolf is wolf, spews or no. There’s literally so many other ways to get information, this argument is just bad.

@ChopChop

@Estel

@Centuries

@Estel

actively townie
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According to you without having ISO’d them

Ash is literally one of the most obvious villagers in the game.

If I need to Iso him in order to make you take my read seriously I can do that but frankly, the fact that people are treating him as a priority elimination target is absurd .

Why didn’t you bring this up before.
I know Wazza did.
I think if Ash is scum.
Your more likely to be the scum defending them over Wazza.

This is literally the only actual read I could find, and it’s contingent on a common TR being scum. Being commonly TR’d doesn’t make me not scum, but this noncommittal is astonishing.

This entire iso stinks.

Things I noticed him doing:

• mech talk
• claiming for literal no reason
• voting mech talk (best case scenario, no better than wagons)
• proposing lynches/accusing
• proposing contingencies

Things I noticed him NOT doing:

• giving/forming reads
• attempting to solve any slot

Literally none of what you’ve done so far helps town in any significant way. Literally none of what you’ve done helps you solve the game.

If anyone has examples of things I’ve claimed he’s not doing, please share. It is remotely possible I missed something. But if Mode is both town and slightly interested in playing the game, these absences make zero sense.

@CatLover

[CatLover]

I still can’t say I buy it but I do think making a super hard push for using “you” is silly, even if it gives me a bad feeling. Can you do another one of those iso’s/cases? That one was difficult for me to critically analyze minus the 2nd person language as it was an ISO on me and it’s difficult to look at if what you are saying makes sense, objectively.

I’m going to take a look at katze, and try to squeeze what reads I can out of them I can that is between all of the meme posts.

[ash4fun]

I’ve actually been meaning to do one on mole for a bit. I’ve got a ~45min thing to do at 1130 but I’ll start on that.

[SirDerpsAlot]

@ash4fun

Like I said before, I feel like Ash is most likely scum here before and I was sure of them as scum before EoD. The wagon stayed small with only three people, so that means it has some sort of resistance to it

Um, you never said anything about this before. Perhaps you said something about it to your scumbuddies?
Also contrast with previous post. This seems outright false.

Also, the second sentence’s logic seems bad

@ash4fun

No, I didn’t townread you -_-

I just said you have a tendency to get mislynched

Which makes your treatment of him all the more curious. If you aren’t reading him town, what did you read him?

@ash4fun

AtE is pretty NAI coming from Squid. I wouldn’t townread/scumread her off of it.

Okay, just from your recent posts, I can feel something’s off

Uh, be nice if you, like, explain maybe?

@ash4fun

There was more resistance to it today and although the wagon was fast yesterday, it didn’t stay stable for long

If feel like you’re trying to look like you picked impartially between the wagons. But… that’s not what it looks like.

@CatLover LOL did you even fucking try

[SirDerpsAlot]

/vote catlover

[CatLover]

I just took the first cases I could find.

You can’t expect me to sift through a 400 post ISO to prove a point when I have already provided what I feel is sufficient evidence.

[CatLover]

I will look at the wall you quoted, however, and re-evaluate that point with this new evidence in mind.

[SirDerpsAlot]

it took me all of 5 min to look through to this point??

[SirDerpsAlot]

and like im lazy as fuck and I could do it

[Centuries]

can we quit looking at the worst peeps to look at

[SirDerpsAlot]

Looking at the top wagons = worst people to look at???

[Centuries]

what are you voting their slot for

[SirDerpsAlot]

Because I think their scum?

[Leafia]

Derps is slipping hard into his randompush on any potential townies he can find, which I hate, even if it is townindicative of him.

[Centuries]

I know you’re able to tey and convince me

but then why is it that ure not even trying to attempt that