[SFoL] SFoL 51: Hand of Byzantium III - (3/16) - Completed

[Possessed]

And no, I don’t think we should be hammering this yet. I want more day conversation.

[Arete]

I don’t want to hammer it either (the last thing I want is this turning into FoL 22, version 2), I just think it’s not impossible that a couple of the inactives will show up and accidentally hammer it anyway, or someone will decide that actually discussion is overrated, or whatever.

[DatBird]

then unvote, and then they would need more than the entire group which is 2-3 then they may have to finish the hammering.

[Arete]

Sure, that seems reasonable.
/unvote
@Alice

[DatBird]

Litterally we are kinda just waiting for people to catch up, or other people to actually come forward with new info. Yeah we can make all the reads we want right now, but its kinda a waiting game

[sulit]

OKAY

I’m back at work I’ll start typing up my opinion onnn Cheeki and top 3 scums and towns

[sulit]

@Cheeki have you played forum mafia before the nfol?

[Cheeki]

no

[sulit]

Cool thanks

[Possessed]

/unvote

[Geyde]

I put on Sword of Damocles so we don’t need to pile today.

[DatBird]

oh i didnt know we didnt have plurality, the more you know

[Geyde]

@Geyde

@Alice

Vote Count

Accused	Voters	Vote Numbers
Cheeki	AreteSlashStars, Possessed, PokemonKidRyan, Lymphoma, Magnus	5/9
None	Geyde , Fireslol, Captain, HTM, WazzaAzza, Frostwolf103, Maxwell, DatBird, Andrej, BlueStorm, Cheeki	13

@Alice

Vote Count

Accused	Voters	Vote Numbers
Cheeki	AreteSlashStars, Possessed, PokemonKidRyan, Lymphoma, Magnus, Andrej	6/9
None	Geyde , Kai_5, JaketheWolfie, HTM, WazzaAzza, Sulit, Maxwell, DatBird BlueStorm, Cheeki	11

From VCA PoV, the only world Cheeki is scum here is that his partner(s) either don’t have a significant voice or are slankers. It could be a premeditated bus, but I think that could only happen if one of the people in Imperial Chat was on their team, so no.
Otherwise the lack of any real counterwagon sets off red flags.

[Geyde]

@Geyde

@Andrej

waiting for the end of a thing where you can only talk is boring

@Andrej

when does the day end

Andrej strikes me as a button pushing player because of their lack of interest in actually accomplishing anything.
I would want to resolve their slot with a check since they play almost exactly the same as Fireslol.

[Alice]

Vote Count

Accused	Voters	Vote Numbers
Cheeki	Possessed, PokemonKidRyan, Lymphoma, Magnus, Andrej	5/9
Andrej	Cheeki, Maxwell	2/9
None	Geyde , Kai_5, JaketheWolfie, HTM, WazzaAzza, Sulit, DatBird, BlueStorm, AreteSlashStars	10

[Geyde]

@Geyde

@Frostwolf103

As in Geyde’s pet? Probably.

@Frostwolf103

Do I get a feeling Geyde will enforce his ‘No mechnical play’ rule in his kingdom?

@Frostwolf103
Why do you hate my slot so much

[DatBird]

@Alice

@sulit has replaced @Frostwolf103!

cough cough

[Geyde]

[JakeTheWolfie]

Yello. What would you want from me, the Amber Dragon?

[sulit]

don’t like the push on Cheeki.

Newer players to forum mafia when accused often become overly defensive. They focus on defending against the points against them instead of attempting to solve, because it’s easier to just try and get people to help you and relate instead of trying to make reads. Cheeki just doesn’t give me newer scum vibe. He made an effort to contribute, which actually is towny. Sure, he defended himself some, but he also pushed Andrej, and the defending doesn’t seem obsessive or have the frustration a scum would have imo.

I believe these are the points against him:

@Arete

Basically, newbie scum will frequently try to look like they’re solving, without actually solving. In these posts, you’re sort of making reads, but there’s not really any new information in here – apart from Datbird, you’re mostly just repeating the consensus reads already, but with less justification.

Honestly this looks like newer town to me. Sheeping is what a lot of new town players do because they’re not as experienced in making their own reads, especially D1. I did it my first one or two games, I’ve seen other newer town do it. What makes this scum sheeping?

@Geyde

Specifically the first quote with instinctively knowing that Lymph could not have been scum in that exchange alongside the several townreads with very little substance to go with coming off as fakesolving.
I could go in depth more if you want but I think all that needs to be said was that they TMI’d.

Again, a lot of his D1 reads were sheepy. At least he gave an effort, which is good for newer players. I just don’t really see this as fake solving and more a new towny.

Here’s a couple quotes for the NFoL he played, in which he was town.

To give context, he was butler. I scumread him in this game for blending in the background and not posting a ton.

Day 1:[quote=“Cheeki, post:13, topic:77064, full:true”]
my expert deduction already outing an evil, i am so efficient
[/quote]

@Cheeki

cult games have always been more confusing for me, higher numbers of evils mean more deception, plus more fakeclaiming

@Cheeki

sulit makes sense, what if they are both of the same faction, bd or evil. if they are both evil they could be butting heads to silence other discussion.

not pointing any fingers, just throwing some weird possibilities out there

@Cheeki

our king sounds terribly worried about protection

His day 1 mostly consisted of sheeping and random comments

Day 2:

@Cheeki

I have my own personal indirect lead on gikkle, that combined with the strange behaviour earns my vote.

/vote Gikkle

@Cheeki

well it’s just a little unusual to me, that’s all. and it just seems a little weird that you gave him townlean d1 and jump to his defense d2. again i won’t point any fingers yet but i have my own suspicions.

@Cheeki

Problem is both of you seem to be immediately gravitating towards each other.
Anyways, that is not the main reason I am voting Gikkle, I have my own partial lead which I intend to follow up on by hearing Gikkle’s logs and night actions.

@Cheeki

sorry for late reply (its 4am where i am).
personally i agree with the whole point about the king rp-ing. its a way of making yourself speak a lot without actually saying much.
other than that, i still have slight suspicion of you & gikkle but thats about it.

@Cheeki

hey i’m just saying it seems like there’s been a fair amount of personal jabs at each other. the aggression between you two makes me think at least one of you is cult/unseen

@Cheeki

and it just seems weird that this seemingly major lead is only being out just now.
along with the claim of a redirect on a butler claim, i am suspicious of frostwolf

@Cheeki

i really wouldn’t say they’ve been behaving suspiciously, just weird, plus the vote on gikkle was based on my own lead

@Cheeki

just gonna toss some thoughts.
if LadyThamasa is NK & found Priestess as MM, (even if it seems unconventional in ToL terms) it could be a play for credibility by lynching MM. Ofc it would be very unusual but it makes sense to me on a level

In day 2, he makes a lot of reads and pushes Gikkle and Andrej confidently.

I want you to read these quotes and then compare them to Cheekis iso. His tone just feels the same to me, it seems like he’s just improving vs. having tmi.

I’ll get my reads out in a bit, I have to go for about 15/30 minutes