Vote Count
Accused | Voters | Vote Numbers |
---|---|---|
Cheeki | Possessed, PokemonKidRyan, Lymphoma, Magnus, Andrej | 5/9 |
Andrej | Cheeki, Maxwell | 2/9 |
None | Geyde , Kai_5, JaketheWolfie, HTM, WazzaAzza, Sulit, DatBird, BlueStorm, AreteSlashStars | 10 |
Accused | Voters | Vote Numbers |
---|---|---|
Cheeki | Possessed, PokemonKidRyan, Lymphoma, Magnus, Andrej | 5/9 |
Andrej | Cheeki, Maxwell | 2/9 |
None | Geyde , Kai_5, JaketheWolfie, HTM, WazzaAzza, Sulit, DatBird, BlueStorm, AreteSlashStars | 10 |
Yello. What would you want from me, the Amber Dragon?
don’t like the push on Cheeki.
Newer players to forum mafia when accused often become overly defensive. They focus on defending against the points against them instead of attempting to solve, because it’s easier to just try and get people to help you and relate instead of trying to make reads. Cheeki just doesn’t give me newer scum vibe. He made an effort to contribute, which actually is towny. Sure, he defended himself some, but he also pushed Andrej, and the defending doesn’t seem obsessive or have the frustration a scum would have imo.
I believe these are the points against him:
Basically, newbie scum will frequently try to look like they’re solving, without actually solving. In these posts, you’re sort of making reads, but there’s not really any new information in here – apart from Datbird, you’re mostly just repeating the consensus reads already, but with less justification.
Honestly this looks like newer town to me. Sheeping is what a lot of new town players do because they’re not as experienced in making their own reads, especially D1. I did it my first one or two games, I’ve seen other newer town do it. What makes this scum sheeping?
Specifically the first quote with instinctively knowing that Lymph could not have been scum in that exchange alongside the several townreads with very little substance to go with coming off as fakesolving.
I could go in depth more if you want but I think all that needs to be said was that they TMI’d.
Again, a lot of his D1 reads were sheepy. At least he gave an effort, which is good for newer players. I just don’t really see this as fake solving and more a new towny.
Here’s a couple quotes for the NFoL he played, in which he was town.
To give context, he was butler. I scumread him in this game for blending in the background and not posting a ton.
Day 1:[quote=“Cheeki, post:13, topic:77064, full:true”]
my expert deduction already outing an evil, i am so efficient
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cult games have always been more confusing for me, higher numbers of evils mean more deception, plus more fakeclaiming
sulit makes sense, what if they are both of the same faction, bd or evil. if they are both evil they could be butting heads to silence other discussion.
not pointing any fingers, just throwing some weird possibilities out there
our king sounds terribly worried about protection
His day 1 mostly consisted of sheeping and random comments
Day 2:
I have my own personal indirect lead on gikkle, that combined with the strange behaviour earns my vote.
/vote Gikkle
well it’s just a little unusual to me, that’s all. and it just seems a little weird that you gave him townlean d1 and jump to his defense d2. again i won’t point any fingers yet but i have my own suspicions.
Problem is both of you seem to be immediately gravitating towards each other.
Anyways, that is not the main reason I am voting Gikkle, I have my own partial lead which I intend to follow up on by hearing Gikkle’s logs and night actions.
sorry for late reply (its 4am where i am).
personally i agree with the whole point about the king rp-ing. its a way of making yourself speak a lot without actually saying much.
other than that, i still have slight suspicion of you & gikkle but thats about it.
hey i’m just saying it seems like there’s been a fair amount of personal jabs at each other. the aggression between you two makes me think at least one of you is cult/unseen
and it just seems weird that this seemingly major lead is only being out just now.
along with the claim of a redirect on a butler claim, i am suspicious of frostwolf
i really wouldn’t say they’ve been behaving suspiciously, just weird, plus the vote on gikkle was based on my own lead
just gonna toss some thoughts.
if LadyThamasa is NK & found Priestess as MM, (even if it seems unconventional in ToL terms) it could be a play for credibility by lynching MM. Ofc it would be very unusual but it makes sense to me on a level
In day 2, he makes a lot of reads and pushes Gikkle and Andrej confidently.
I want you to read these quotes and then compare them to Cheekis iso. His tone just feels the same to me, it seems like he’s just improving vs. having tmi.
I’ll get my reads out in a bit, I have to go for about 15/30 minutes
Why?
Usually, people post justifications and conclusions before voting.
I already stated why earlier
Alice missed my vote.
apologies, I’ll refer to that.
You know this seems crazy but /vote Magnus
Hardclaims don’t make people confirmed.
Here is my earlier vote.
Basically I voted him for random sheeping on Cheeki when he had some information that could make Poss a potential killer.
What makes you believe Magnus’s claim could be false?
Did he post logs? Apologies, I know he claimed but wasn’t here for that part.
He is acting too scummy imo
Apparently he claimed Warden who occupied Poss and anyone visiting them
The brutal part of his claim is that he wouldn’t be using his ability on people who could get him confirmed with invest checks…he’s going to be occupying townread players because of the secondary ‘prevents visits’ ability.
His Night action, his royal blood claim…all make sense. If a non-arbiter invest class could check him out thatd be ideal, but he’s not the hang.
If we’ve settled on Cheeki as non-what Imperial chat was predicting, it might be worth trying to put some pressure on the inactives.
/vote Andrej – they’re inactive enough that putting pressure on them might not be a bad idea, and they already have a couple of votes on them, which is important mostly because it means that an attempt to put some pressure on them might actually succeed. (I’d appreciate if the rest of you would refrain from quickhammering them without letting them so much as provide a defense this time around.)
@Alice
His Night action, his royal blood claim…all make sense
Yeah but there is a thing called “conversion” and he honestly could have likely got converted, he did keep softing his class a bunch.