The Alice Alignment Push Test

[katze]

@Jane

Summary

1. Town (p sure this was from JOAT9 but it feels vaguely real)
2. Town (EFoL?)
3. Mafia (randomly guessing sfol62 )
4. Town (not sure which but twtbaw ez)
5. Town (this is almost definitely from upick but its also townie if im wrong)
6. Town
7. Mafia
8. Town
9. Town
10. Mafia
11. Town
12. Town
13. Mafia
14. Town
15. Mafia (is this FoL24 and W is me? )
16. Mafia
17. Town
18. Town

[katze]

awoo

[Chloe]

No

[Jane]

11/18 although it’s possible I miscounted because I’m tired

[Arctic]

town
town
town
town
town
town
town
town
town
town
town
town
town
town
town
town
town
town
town
town
town

that’s probably around 18 idk

[Jane]

Answers & Links to posts

1

War flashbacks… Geyde PFP’s JoaT9 - Town

2

FoL 24 - Unseen

3

Geyde PFP’s Joat9 again - Town

4

FoL 24 - Unseen

5

UPick - Town

6

SFoL 62 - Cult

7

SFoL 62 again - Cult

8

EFoL 4&3/4 - Blue Dragon

9

FoL 28 - Good King

10

Once more unto the SFoL 62 - Cult

11

WoW BfA - Alliance (Town)

12

EFoL 4&3/4 - Blue Dragon

13

EFoL 4&3/4 - Blue Dragon

14

FAM - Mafia

15

FoL 24 - Unseen

16

WoW BfA - Alliance (Town)

17

EFoL 4&3/4 - Blue Dragon

18

FoL 28 - Good King

[katze]

Answer Key 😳

Summary

1. Wolf, FoL24 [FoL] Forum of Lies 24 - Night 3 (11/16) - Completed - The Unseen and the Warlock Win! - #3022 by katze
2. Wolf, Newbies Paradise 2 Completed: Newbie's Paradise #2 - Page 3 (as gamer)
3. Town, Hydra JK9 Hydra Jailkeeper 9 - Town win! - #740 by katze
4. Town, Autumn Invitational Autumn Invitational - Day 4 (5/13) - Town Wins! - #26 by katze
5. Town, Guardians of Ga’Hoole Completed: The Guardians of Ga'Hoole - Page 89 (part 2)
6. Town, LoZ Mash Completed: The Legend of Zelda - Page 24
7. Wolf, FAM FAM Thread 2 (Day 2) - #5074 by katze
8. Wolf, JOAT9 [FM] Geyde PFPs Joat9 - THE LYING DARKNESS AND FIREMAN WINS (2/2) - #240 by katze
9. Town, Congress of Vienna Completed: Congress of Vienna - Page 7
10. Town, Mountain Climbing Mafia Completed: Mountain Climbing Mafia - Page 3
11. Town, Mountain Climbing Mafia Completed: Mountain Climbing Mafia - Page 12
12. 3p, FoL27 [FoL] Forum of Lies 27 - 10 day FoL (2/18) - Blue Dragon win - #129 by katze
13. Wolf, Ritual Mafia IV [FM] Ritual Mafia IV -- Day 4 (7/16) -- Heretics and Traitor Win! - #8581 by katze
14. Town, SFoL 61 SFoL 61 - Castle of the Blood God - Ended Early, will be Re Randed(15/16) - #3077 by katze
15. Wolf, Gay Mafia 3 [VFM] Gay Mafia 3: The Game: The Movie [-666/8] ANITA BRYANT WINS - #742 by UwU (as UwU)

[Arctic]

if we’ve learnt anything from this it’s that microreads suck

people consistently randing their guesses or putting town for all of them perform just as well as people actually trying

[katze]

microreads don’t suck they’re just not an end-all way to read people

but i fully believe that there are posts that are so incredibly AI that i can disregard an entire ISO and say “this post is why X player is Y alignment”

and while those posts are commonly longer posts i’m p sure i’ve done this with small posts

like gorta in half his games

[Arctic]

my honest opinion is that microreads do not actually exist in the context of a game

it’s nearly impossible and in no way optimal to try and assess a post without allowing the context surrounding said post to affect your judgement

the fact that you’re inherently biased by the context of the post means you aren’t actually doing a microread

If you somehow did manage to remove all context and subjective bias resulting from such context, that leaves you with the situation that we’ve proved in this thread that microreads are bad

Not removing the context means that you aren’t microreading

so you are either not microreading
or you are microreading and it’s not good

[Jane]

I changed my mind on 2 because that seemed like an earlykatze game

Sadge

[Arctic]

@katze

but i fully believe that there are posts that are so incredibly AI that i can disregard an entire ISO and say “this post is why X player is Y alignment”

true, but you’ll probably find that the majority of these posts are reliant upon the wider context rather than just something being textbook villagery

[katze]

its relatively early katze

my first MU game

[Jane]

@katze

but i fully believe that there are posts that are so incredibly AI that i can disregard an entire ISO and say “this post is why X player is Y alignment”

Like if someone claims a unique PR, you instantly CC them because that’s basically openwolfing.

[katze]

okay last ones

how do you get any information on X’s alignment by their interactions with somebody who they have a 0% chance of knowing the alignment of?

id say their ISO is >rand wolf just because it’s useless, but that doesnt seem uncommon here?

if this is unheard of from them, it could be an attempt to overcompensate? but id have to read more of their games to give you a specific “X is a villager” read as opposed to “the posts coming from Xs slot are posts that are >rand V”

[Jane]

@katze

id say their ISO is >rand wolf just because it’s useless, but that doesnt seem uncommon here?

I vaguely remember this one

Uhm… Highway_101 in SFoL 62? Or was that Geyde?

[katze]

that was geyde

[Jane]

I’ll say

Wolf
Town
Town

[katze]

Summary

they’re all me from SFoL62

[Jane]

Summary

Damnit I expected it but I also thought 1 was kinda wolfy