[Winter Event] JoaTJoaTJoaT13 - Mafia wins!

Obviously, I’m not an idiot, so I don’t kill eevee last night

as i said NKA is useless

From your and min’s pov, prob

It’s a sad world

The question is though… why was Eevee killed over Joat B?

Actually that’s exactly what I thought lol

Because the mafia is bad lol

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I can link you to my scum games, if you want :crazy_face:

Also I just realized my wallpost is unreadable cause quotes refuse to work or some crap

I’d normally agree with this but since min used their protective already, Eli may be next in line to die.

At any rate I don’t think I need to know eli’s action because lol deductive reasoning

Also I’m at the beach and it’s super sunny so if I dip for a bit or miss posts because I can’t see my screen, that’s why :joy:

Shurian ISO analysis

Slot starts off with a NAI opener. Nothing much to comment on.

Ok thought here I guess from this slot, however, if you look at the replies, they mention something about Arc not mentioning Maple at all… which just makes this post become sorta confusing and weird.

I can recall resolving this or whatever like a while ago, but now that I look at this post again, it’s really weird. Shurian did apologize a little while later about this post and how it was totally bs or something, cause someone trying to solve isn’t scummy at all, but what I’m trying to figure out is how does a Townie come a conclusion such as this when I was trying to solve? @Shurian might be a little tough to ask but could you give us an idea as to how you came to the conclusion mentioned in this post? That would be very nice and valuable for evaluation of your posts in isolation.

Pretty sure this was a meme post or whatever, but this post makes this slot look slightly more townier I guess.

Feels a little lazy coming from this slot to just openly say “pressuring X” won’t give us information that early on. Not sure if I really like this post, it gives me scummy vibes. Town wants as much information as possible, and not even trying to do something that might give information isn’t a good idea for town. There’s also the fact that this slot voted Maple like 5 posts ago which sorta and sorta doesn’t contradict this specific post."

Eh post, mostly memes, only sorta read was on me which is… ehh wasn’t that much of a read in the first place.

“Non posters may have 0/1 scum [Thread is moving in a singular direction]
Active posters have 1/2 scum”

This feels like a very useless and pointless post trying to hide itself as seemingly good content? I don’t quite get what this post is trying to say since it’s just mentioning… the obvious, which is that there may be scum within the active posts or there may be scum within the non posters, which is what I’m currently interrupting this post as, which is very useless and pointless, but on the outside it looks like content.

Sheep vote onto another slot who we figure out later on to be a mechconfirmed town or whatever doesn’t look too good. This is like the only time they’ve sheeped someone in their ISO, so it feels like weak reasoning from a scum to just vote someone or start a wagon on a town. If I saw more sheep votes from this slot, I might be more inclined to read this off as like a meta thing this slot does or something, but no… this is the only time they’ve sheeped a vote in their ISO if I can recall… so it’s a really weird and offputting post here.

Uhh wait a second… didn’t they just vote Eli because lolsheep like literally 3 posts ago? Now they have reasons for voting Eli? That seems really weird…

Ignoring the part about “I want to create chaos cause chaos = content which makes more read content” or whatever, apparently now they voted Eli apparently for content… which is a fine reason if we ignore their reasoning for voting Eli 5 posts being just a sheepvote… except that there’s something even more wierd now that feels like cherry picking. You see, a couple posts, they said something along the lines of “let’s not vote Maple cause that won’t bring us info”, but now here they want to vote Eli for info? or content I guess but same thing.

Wait how did PKR become one of your locktowns??? Wasn’t this like on day 1 or 2??? Like I can understand Wind, but PKR? @Shurian you need to explain the locktown read on PKR more.

Ok so… now PKR is a scumlean? or something like that? I don’t quite get how a slot suddenly went from locktown to scumlean? Like these reads are much better than the old ones I feel like, but literally in the post after the old post where you locktowned PKR, PKR suddenly becomes a scumlean without explanation.

“Gotta figure out why they didnt kill me, Light or something like that. I’m guessing I’m a designated mislynch today :slight_smile:

Weak reasoning for a defense or whatever, but also a really bad comment cause… I honestly don’t think scum would care to kill Light or Shurian at all when they have to deal with like 4 mech confirmed townies and like 2 or 3 other really obvious townies.
Other than that, Arc read is fine I guess. Arc’s aggressiveness did throw me a little off, but I guess he does this regularly as town and doesn’t do this much as scum or something, and sharing the same sort of sentiment is ok I guess.

Wasn’t this slot scumleaning PKR like a while back? Suddenly PKR is town or something judging by how they’re not in the PoE? This feels… really off-putting. This slot apparently can’t make up it’s idea on PKR and just keeps shifting back and fourth on their read on PKR without much explanation and progress…

Self-vote and AtE for easy townclear.

Ok read on Arctic I guess. Someone pushing another slot without reevaluation and without much space to change their thoughts could be AI of townie behavior rather than scum behavior I guess.

Ok so this post from this slot tells me one thing upon first reading it, they clearly read Light as town or atleast believe Light to have randed town judging by how they say they would kill Light if they were scum to ignore the Joat fiesta, clearly indicating that they believe atleast Light is townie. That’s fine and all except there’s no where in their ISO before this post that indicates they even read Light as town. Which is really weird. Sure they might have interacted with Light like in 3 posts, but no where do I see them reading Light as town.

Ok… so here they pretty much explain that they would kill Light here to throw as little possible shade and clears or whatever as possible if they were potential scum… which is I guess fine? It’s not like a horrible defense I guess, but it’s also not a great defense either.

Roode

Ok so first actual readlist. I guess it’s pretty fine

Interesting post. @Shurian would like if you would expand on this more. What did you want to change about your readlist based on those interactions?

Conclusion: While this slot did actually give me some towny pings at first evaluation when I was looking at their solving and going “Ok, maybe this could be town. Give em some more time perhaps,” I was proven wrong once actually taking a deeper look and analyzing their posts. You see, while I actually do think their tone in these posts seem to be townie (something I probably should’ve mentioned more in the actual ISO but I’m too lazy), the content sorta disproves this. Some of their reads are weird, and keep changing without much explanation or progress at all, while others just randomly appear, without much any thoughts or reasoning to back it up. There’s also some posts that I want them to explain more, but overall, slot looks worse than before I ISO’ed them.

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Light ISO analysis

Decent opener. Pretty sure it’s NAI, but for some reason it gives me towny feelings. Not sure why though.

Interesting thought, though reasoning is unclear. @Aelin gib the reasoning for this thought, and also why you thought it was Min specifically out of the 3.

These are fine thoughts I guess, but I don’t necessarily agree with them, or well my thoughts and reads at the time weren’t the same as this post.

Questioning is good. But needs more depth, aka which posts from Illwei didn’t this slot like and why.

Huh… I don’t mean to be like a party pooper or some sort of depressed person but is Light usually this upbeat and happy? Like these are fine but like I don’t recall ever seeing Light like this and these posts feel a little off to be honest… then again there’s probably just something wrong with me.

Ok so an explanation for that first post, which is nice. So the ping wasn’t needed I guess. The thing is… wasn’t that around the point where we just started memeing cause “first 150 posts are memes so meme looser” or whatever? Did you notice that post from Min explaining that or did you miss it?

This post slightly pings me off, specifically the part about “innocent until proven guilty” but I’ll choose to… just accept that as something else for now.

Game then proceeds to show us 4 Joat claims (who are all supposedly town???), a diasaterous EoD, a self-voting wallposter, deathtunnels and a scum lonch in the end of it somehow

Spicy post, makes me sorta believe he’s town more. Not sure if scum wants to get into these types of conflicts.

Wait, why scum Joat specifically… you would think the goons would try to get the town Joats killed instead of the scum Joat instead…

War flashbacks intensifies

So would you put them Null at the time @Aelin?

Interesting, @Aelin what type of towny pings did you get from me?

Good analysis post, I like it. Nothing much else to say here I guess.

Yes fool you have fallen for my pocket

Conclusion: Light is pretty towny from his ISO. His tone feels good and his questioning, general thoughts, reads and solving all feel natural and towny as hell to me. I am aware that Light is pretty good scum or can atleast replicate his current town meta or whatever (look at FoL 30, when most of us townread Light cause lolmeta0, but most of his posts are fine and I feel are backed up by logic and reasoning. There are some “questionable” posts, but I’m willing to sidestep those for now since the quality overall is good. If Light turns out to be scum… then Light is big looser.

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Ok there we go, i fixed the quote or something. Now they should show what I’m refernecing.

Idk why quotes didn’t work when I put them in summaries but whatever.

Quote sux reee

they meant min

I’m tempted to vote Shurian, but I want them to respond first so…

/vote Maple

do something reee

That was a good point about Shurian’s read on PKR, I didn’t catch that before.

The thing is,the only vote I’ve seen Shurian place was a reaction test vote on Eli for mixed reasons,and then they unvoted anyway. I can’t read people for lack of voting,but Shurian just hasn’t been very pushy with reads and it makes me kind of nervous that they’re laid-back scum coasting on town destroying itself.

They were my next scumread after Illwei, and honestly I feel bad about Illwei but her last readlist did not at all convince me she was town, either lol.

not a lot was getting done, and thread seemed to be shifting away from solving at all
just didn’t like min lol

first off
hecc you >:(
second off
I was trying to see if I could get an AI reaction out of Illwei so I wasn’t being rude to them like I wanted to

Prolly missed it

  1. I wasn’t looking for min to answer for them
  2. I didn’t like min’s claim

nah they were a townlean because those pings were stronger

You’ve just been really active and a louder voice than you usually are
plus
looking through your iso it’s easy to follow thought processes and conclusions